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Random chip on GameKings

#1

I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.

When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.

#2

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works. There
are no "decks." There is no "random chip." The CPU in the
machine's computer generates random numbers (pseudo-random actually, but
essentially the same in this case) between 1 and 52 (53 for games like
Joker's Wild). The card assigned to that number is dealt. The random number
algorithm is typically seeded by the clock, which changes in millisecond
increments. Unless your friend pressed to deal button in the same
millisecond, the outcome of the game would not be the same.

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM, gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com>wrote:

**

When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all
the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a
random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game
or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked
because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to
cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got
four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was
seperate decks.

#3

I have a IGT GameKing made 8/98. It is MGMD touchscreen. I can set the
denominations from 1c to 25$ and up to 12 different games at each
denominations. You can check the vpfree "files" for GAMEKING.xls that
list all the games available and the ERs.

As an example, I can not have FPDW and NSUD at the same denomination
(Same game different ER). I can have FPDW and LD at the same
denomination (different games). I can have FPDW and NSUD at different
denominations.

Lets say I have FPDW set at 5c and 25c and NSUD set at 50c and 1$. If
after you play a hand on the 5c FPDW and switch to 25c FPDW the
completed hand shown will be the same. If you switch to the 50c NSUD
game, the hand displayed will be different from the FPDW and the same as
the NSUD hand at 1$. The FPDW hand displayed will remain the same
unless you play FPDW again at any denomination.

It appears that the pseudo random number generator result is the same
for the exact same game and ER regardless of denomination. If you got a
royal playing 5c FPDW, you would have gotten a royal playing the 25c FPDW!

My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
random number associated with it.
Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment further.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

gamblinggrandma wrote:

I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.

When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.

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#4

i referred to decks to make it easier for people to understand my question. sorry i made it so simple.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrell G <darrellg@...> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM, gamblinggrandma > <gamblinggrandma@...>wrote:

> **
>
> When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all
> the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a
> random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game
> or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked
> because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to
> cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got
> four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was
> seperate decks.
>

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works. There
are no "decks." There is no "random chip." The CPU in the
machine's computer generates random numbers (pseudo-random actually, but
essentially the same in this case) between 1 and 52 (53 for games like
Joker's Wild). The card assigned to that number is dealt. The random number
algorithm is typically seeded by the clock, which changes in millisecond
increments. Unless your friend pressed to deal button in the same
millisecond, the outcome of the game would not be the same.

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#5

thank you

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:

I have a IGT GameKing made 8/98. It is MGMD touchscreen. I can set the
denominations from 1c to 25$ and up to 12 different games at each
denominations. You can check the vpfree "files" for GAMEKING.xls that
list all the games available and the ERs.

As an example, I can not have FPDW and NSUD at the same denomination
(Same game different ER). I can have FPDW and LD at the same
denomination (different games). I can have FPDW and NSUD at different
denominations.

Lets say I have FPDW set at 5c and 25c and NSUD set at 50c and 1$. If
after you play a hand on the 5c FPDW and switch to 25c FPDW the
completed hand shown will be the same. If you switch to the 50c NSUD
game, the hand displayed will be different from the FPDW and the same as
the NSUD hand at 1$. The FPDW hand displayed will remain the same
unless you play FPDW again at any denomination.

It appears that the pseudo random number generator result is the same
for the exact same game and ER regardless of denomination. If you got a
royal playing 5c FPDW, you would have gotten a royal playing the 25c FPDW!

My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
random number associated with it.
Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment further.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

gamblinggrandma wrote:

>I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.
>
>When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.
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#6

the question was one deck or more

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--- On Fri, 2/17/12, gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Random chip on GameKings
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 9:25 AM

thank you

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:

I have a IGT GameKing made 8/98. It is MGMD touchscreen. I can set the
denominations from 1c to 25$ and up to 12 different games at each
denominations. You can check the vpfree "files" for GAMEKING.xls that
list all the games available and the ERs.

As an example, I can not have FPDW and NSUD at the same denomination
(Same game different ER). I can have FPDW and LD at the same
denomination (different games). I can have FPDW and NSUD at different
denominations.

Lets say I have FPDW set at 5c and 25c and NSUD set at 50c and 1$. If
after you play a hand on the 5c FPDW and switch to 25c FPDW the
completed hand shown will be the same. If you switch to the 50c NSUD
game, the hand displayed will be different from the FPDW and the same as
the NSUD hand at 1$. The FPDW hand displayed will remain the same
unless you play FPDW again at any denomination.

It appears that the pseudo random number generator result is the same
for the exact same game and ER regardless of denomination. If you got a
royal playing 5c FPDW, you would have gotten a royal playing the 25c FPDW!

My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
random number associated with it.
Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment further.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

gamblinggrandma wrote:

>I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.
>
>When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.
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#7

Sorry, when I open up the machine, I don't see any decks of cards.... :slight_smile:

"My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
random number associated with it."

In other words, more than one deck.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

Barbara Krankowski wrote:

the question was one deck or more

From: gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Random chip on GameKings
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 9:25 AM

Â

thank you

I have a IGT GameKing made 8/98. It is MGMD touchscreen. I can set the
denominations from 1c to 25$ and up to 12 different games at each
denominations. You can check the vpfree "files" for GAMEKING.xls that
list all the games available and the ERs.

As an example, I can not have FPDW and NSUD at the same denomination
(Same game different ER). I can have FPDW and LD at the same
denomination (different games). I can have FPDW and NSUD at different
denominations.

Lets say I have FPDW set at 5c and 25c and NSUD set at 50c and 1$. If
after you play a hand on the 5c FPDW and switch to 25c FPDW the
completed hand shown will be the same. If you switch to the 50c NSUD
game, the hand displayed will be different from the FPDW and the same as
the NSUD hand at 1$. The FPDW hand displayed will remain the same
unless you play FPDW again at any denomination.

It appears that the pseudo random number generator result is the same
for the exact same game and ER regardless of denomination. If you got a
   
royal playing 5c FPDW, you would have gotten a royal playing the 25c FPDW!

My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
random number associated with it.
Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment further.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

gamblinggrandma wrote:

I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.

When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.

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--- On Fri, 2/17/12, gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:

#8

Sorry I used the term "deck" of cards. I was trying to make my question as simple as possible. I guess having the word deck in parentheses just didnt register. I understand the concept... I just felt that if I had asked the question in a technical way people might not understand what I was asking. Thank you though for your answer.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:

Sorry, when I open up the machine, I don't see any decks of cards.... :slight_smile:

"My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
random number associated with it."

In other words, more than one deck.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

Barbara Krankowski wrote:

>the question was one deck or more
>
>--- On Fri, 2/17/12, gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@...> wrote:
>
>
>From: gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@...>
>Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Random chip on GameKings
>To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 9:25 AM
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>thank you
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>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@> wrote:
>
>
>>I have a IGT GameKing made 8/98. It is MGMD touchscreen. I can set the
>>denominations from 1c to 25$ and up to 12 different games at each
>>denominations. You can check the vpfree "files" for GAMEKING.xls that
>>list all the games available and the ERs.
>>
>>As an example, I can not have FPDW and NSUD at the same denomination
>>(Same game different ER). I can have FPDW and LD at the same
>>denomination (different games). I can have FPDW and NSUD at different
>>denominations.
>>
>>Lets say I have FPDW set at 5c and 25c and NSUD set at 50c and 1$. If
>>after you play a hand on the 5c FPDW and switch to 25c FPDW the
>>completed hand shown will be the same. If you switch to the 50c NSUD
>>game, the hand displayed will be different from the FPDW and the same as
>>the NSUD hand at 1$. The FPDW hand displayed will remain the same
>>unless you play FPDW again at any denomination.
>>
>>It appears that the pseudo random number generator result is the same
>>for the exact same game and ER regardless of denomination. If you got a
>>
>>
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>
>
>>royal playing 5c FPDW, you would have gotten a royal playing the 25c FPDW!
>>
>>My guess is that each game and different ER has a different pseudo
>>random number associated with it.
>>Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment further.
>>
>>Dennis
>>vp-connoisseur
>>
>>gamblinggrandma wrote:
>>
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>>
>>>I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.
>>>
>>>When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.
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#9

Since the deck is "shuffled" after every hand, it doesn't matter.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gamblinggrandma" <gamblinggrandma@...> wrote:

I know I read about this a long time ago - but someone asked me recently and I could not remember the answer so maybe you all can.

When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each game or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it was seperate decks.

#10

Would suspect that each game has its own rng as joker games use a different
deck.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Darrell G
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:44 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Random chip on GameKings

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM, gamblinggrandma <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com <mailto:gamblinggrandma%40yahoo.com> >wrote:

**

When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all
the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a
random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each

game

or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked
because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to
cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got
four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it

was

seperate decks.

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works. There
are no "decks." There is no "random chip." The CPU in the
machine's computer generates random numbers (pseudo-random actually, but
essentially the same in this case) between 1 and 52 (53 for games like
Joker's Wild). The card assigned to that number is dealt. The random number
algorithm is typically seeded by the clock, which changes in millisecond
increments. Unless your friend pressed to deal button in the same
millisecond, the outcome of the game would not be the same.

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#11

Not necessarily. If you are playing a nonjoker game but the number mapped to the joker is selected, then the card (joker) woudl be discarded and not shown, and another number would be pulled.
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com

From: pyiddy@att.net
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:21:29 -0600
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Random chip on GameKings

Would suspect that each game has its own rng as joker games use a different
deck.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Darrell G
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:44 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Random chip on GameKings

> **
>
> When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all
> the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a
> random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each
game
> or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked
> because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to
> cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got
> four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it
was
> seperate decks.
>

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works. There
are no "decks." There is no "random chip." The CPU in the
machine's computer generates random numbers (pseudo-random actually, but
essentially the same in this case) between 1 and 52 (53 for games like
Joker's Wild). The card assigned to that number is dealt. The random number
algorithm is typically seeded by the clock, which changes in millisecond
increments. Unless your friend pressed to deal button in the same
millisecond, the outcome of the game would not be the same.

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM, gamblinggrandma > <gamblinggrandma@yahoo.com <mailto:gamblinggrandma%40yahoo.com> >wrote:

#12

Not necessarily. If you are playing a nonjoker game but the number mapped to the joker is selected, then the card (joker) woudl be discarded and not shown, and another number would be pulled.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:

Your basic RNG produces a random number between 0.0 and 1.0

It is a simple matter of programming to map this spectrum from 1 to 52, or 1 to 53, or any other requisite two end numbers.

For a multi-game machine, I would suppose it is cheaper to employ just one RNG, and to programmatically map its output to the range for the game in question

In the above, the word "random" is to be taken as "equally likely to some statistical criterion".

This is easier to accomplish with physical RNGs than algorithmic RNGs, but for gaming purposes, algorithmic RNGs are "good enough"

- - Norma

> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: pyiddy@…
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:21:29 -0600
> Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Random chip on GameKings
>
> Would suspect that each game has its own rng as joker games use a different
> deck.
>
>
>
> From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
> Darrell G
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:44 AM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Random chip on GameKings
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM, gamblinggrandma > > <gamblinggrandma@… <mailto:gamblinggrandma%40yahoo.com> >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> > When playing a Game King machine where there are 7 different games. Do all
> > the games use just 1 "deck" of cards (or 1 random chip)? or is there a
> > random chip for each game? Basically is there 1 deck of cards for each
> game
> > or do all the 7 games run off the same random chip. The friend asked
> > because she had been playing deuces and got the deuces, she went off to
> > cash her ticket and she came back and somone was on that machine and got
> > four 2's with the kicker on double double. She just wants to know if it
> was
> > seperate decks.
> >
>
> You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works. There
> are no "decks." There is no "random chip." The CPU in the
> machine's computer generates random numbers (pseudo-random actually, but
> essentially the same in this case) between 1 and 52 (53 for games like
> Joker's Wild). The card assigned to that number is dealt. The random number
> algorithm is typically seeded by the clock, which changes in millisecond
> increments. Unless your friend pressed to deal button in the same
> millisecond, the outcome of the game would not be the same.
>
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#13

You make miss speak on this site! Lot of people sitting at their computers just ready to strike if you do. And, God forbid you mention that you played a slot machine....

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gamblinggrandma" <gamblinggrandma@...> wrote:

Sorry I used the term "deck" of cards. I was trying to make my question as simple as possible. I guess having the word deck in parentheses just didnt register. I understand the concept... I just felt that if I had asked the question in a technical way people might not understand what I was asking. Thank you though for your answer.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@> wrote: