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#1

this blurb was in the december issue of casino player.
"Did Katrina breach slot machine security? with many slot machines still unaccounted for, many of them swept out to sea and some comfiscated by vandals. IGT was concerned that enterprising thieves could crack the codes of the software that governs play and ultimately use that knowledge to their benefit. The company, therefore, is looking into writing new computer programs for its machines so their integrity is not compromised."
   
  my question is, if a random number generator is what is determining results,
  why would cracking the code be of value, and why a need for reprograming?

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#2

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, robert tryjefaczka <bobtry2000@y...>
wrote:

this blurb was in the december issue of casino player.
"Did Katrina breach slot machine security? with many slot machines

still unaccounted for, many of them swept out to sea and some
comfiscated by vandals. IGT was concerned that enterprising thieves
could crack the codes of the software that governs play and
ultimately use that knowledge to their benefit. The company,
therefore, is looking into writing new computer programs for its
machines so their integrity is not compromised."

   
  my question is, if a random number generator is what is

determining results,

  why would cracking the code be of value, and why a need for

reprograming?

Several possibilities. It all depends on the exact programming.
However, if someone knew exactly how the machine is programmed it
would be a lot easier to create a modified copy, get in cahoots with
a tech to replace the chip and reap the benefits.

#3

They are probably using a pseudo-RNG (software) instead of a real RNG
(hardware), i.e. something that is technically not random at all if
you know the code and can figure out the internal state - but I don't
think that's the point. I believe that they use the timing of play as
an extra source of randomness, and that the precision of the timing at
which a game would have to be played would be likely make such an
attack impossible without using special hardware to press the buttons.
There has been a case in the past where timing wasn't used and where
someone with access to the code was able to figure out the internal
state and predict the next play simply by observing a few plays on the
machine.

I would guess that their biggest fear is that someone could figure out
how to reprogram such a machine, and how to do it undetected while
inside a casino. Something similar has happened in the past, so I can
understand that they would be worried about it, especially if they
haven't done anything to correct that risk.

JBQ

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On 12/8/05, robert tryjefaczka <bobtry2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

this blurb was in the december issue of casino player.
"Did Katrina breach slot machine security? with many slot machines still unaccounted for, many of them swept out to sea and some comfiscated by vandals. IGT was concerned that enterprising thieves could crack the codes of the software that governs play and ultimately use that knowledge to their benefit. The company, therefore, is looking into writing new computer programs for its machines so their integrity is not compromised."

  my question is, if a random number generator is what is determining results,
  why would cracking the code be of value, and why a need for reprograming?

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#4

It would matter in case of slot machines"only"..
unless Vp machines used similar programs. It would
break this hoax of randomness in VP that nobody can
acertain.

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--- mroejacks <rgmustain@att.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, robert tryjefaczka
<bobtry2000@y...>
wrote:
>
> this blurb was in the december issue of casino
player.
> "Did Katrina breach slot machine security? with
many slot machines
still unaccounted for, many of them swept out to sea
and some
comfiscated by vandals. IGT was concerned that
enterprising thieves
could crack the codes of the software that governs
play and
ultimately use that knowledge to their benefit. The
company,
therefore, is looking into writing new computer
programs for its
machines so their integrity is not compromised."
>
> my question is, if a random number generator is
what is
determining results,
> why would cracking the code be of value, and why
a need for
reprograming?
>

Several possibilities. It all depends on the exact
programming.
However, if someone knew exactly how the machine is
programmed it
would be a lot easier to create a modified copy, get
in cahoots with
a tech to replace the chip and reap the benefits.

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#5

What about the legal sale of used slot machines. Several of us have
legal ownership of REAL slot machines/video poker machines. Maybe I
should take my Game Maker apart and figure it all out?(I just need a
"clear chip" and new games. I wonder if the 5-play joker pick'em
works in 5 year old machines?) These machines are being sold to third
parties, why whould they concern themselves with stolen machines?

Maybe the casinos are really concerned with the card readers/ticket
writers. These are usually not sold in the machines to the public.

dipy911

"Did Katrina breach slot machine security?

  my question is, if a random number generator is what is

determining results,

  why would cracking the code be of value, and why a need for

reprograming?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, robert tryjefaczka <bobtry2000@y...> wrote:

#6

I am curious. Since you believe that effective randomness in VP is a
hoax do you play? If so, why?

And please explain your comment "that nobody can ascertain". A large
number of regulatory agencies around the world as well as independent
labs have ascertained just that.

Bill

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At 08:39 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:

It would matter in case of slot machines"only"..
unless Vp machines used similar programs. It would
break this hoax of randomness in VP that nobody can
acertain.

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