Am trying to convince gf to fly there MLK weekend .Does any one have any comments pos./neg. to voice about this place? Also, in regards to Jacks and Bonus Poker is the database accurate ?
Thanks ,
Larry F.
Questions Re: Horseshoe Southern Indiana( Elizabeth)
I've been there a few times. I don't know the place inside and out, but there are 10 full-pay .25, .50, and $1 combo machines (slant top) on the 2nd level. Both Jacks and Bonus are full pay (9/6 and 8/5) at all of those denominations.
The second level is very loud and crowded on the weekend nights, though, as the VP machines are across a narrow aisle from the table games, and behind that is the bar and a stage with a very loud live band. I've been a dealer, and I don't know how the dealers can do their job in the middle of all that.
On the firstlevel there are tons of Game King machines, most of them full pay, butyou have to check each pay table as they have scattered some lower paytables among them. I don't know anything about higher denominations or other varieties of games, as JOB and Bonus are all I play. Except I do know there is 9/6 DDB at the dollar level on the fourth floor. Oh, and video poker players at Horseshoe only earn half as many reward credits in the slot club as the slot players.
I am a small-time player just starting out, and still stuck playing quarters on my limited bankroll here in Indiana. Out of all the Indiana casinos I've been to, I've consistently had the best experiences at Horseshoe in Elizabeth. I never bring more than $200 and I play for 8-10 hours. Every single time I walk away with either a very small dent in the bankroll or, usually, more than I came with. Haven't hit a royal there yet, but still way ahead in the funds. Hope this helps.
Which reminds me of a question. At Horseshoe I routinely get dealt 4Ks, straight flushes, four to a royal, etc. The frequency of full houses and flushes is very high. This is over 3 separate visits of 8-10 hours each. At Indiana Live! racino in Shelbyville I do nothing but lose, playing the exact same strategy. I've been there dozens of times with the same strategy and every time it's obvious that the machines give out mostly scrap hands. The pay tables there are not full pay, but in the end it really doesn't matter much, since I rarely get full houses or flushes there. You can tell by the hands you're getting the vast difference from the experience at a place like Horseshoe. At Shelbyville I routinely have to go 15-20 hands without so much as a paying pair. It's that way every time, on every machine I have played. When you do hit something like 4 aces, you can expect that credit total to drain and drain and drain before you will get a paying pair again. It's extremes, with nothing in between. At Horseshoe the play is much less volatile, with a feeling of fairness and randomness I just don't get at Shelbyville.
In other words, Horseshoe seems truly random and Shelbyville definitely does not. I really wonder how not to think the machines in Shelbyville are rigged. That place is still under a huge financial burden from a $250 million gambling license debt, and they offer NO cash back for any play. Not even to slot players. Points are redeemable only for the buffet and merchandise. How would I be able to tell if the machines are rigged, and what would I do if I suspected they were? They seem programmed to space out their paying hands at very long intervals. I try to resist this kind of thinking, try to believe they are random, but every time we go, it's the same experience of pulling teeth just to get a flush out of those machines. After all this time it is hard to believe they are RNGs in there and not pseudo-RNGs like the kind in slot machines. How can I tell, or get something done about it?
Thanks!
Laura
Laura
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From: lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 4:25 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Questions Re: Horseshoe Southern Indiana( Elizabeth)
Am trying to convince gf to fly there MLK weekend .Does any one have any comments pos./neg. to voice about this place? Also, in regards to Jacks and Bonus Poker is the database accurate ?
Thanks ,
Larry F.
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I never bring more than $200 and I play for 8-10 hours. Every single time I walk away with either a very small dent in the bankroll or, usually, more than I came with.
I would say that you have been very lucky to play those hours on that bankroll.
Anybody else?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Knit30@... wrote:
You are correct, DW. Playing 25c JOB for 9 hours at a leisurely 400 hands/hr, you would go broke about 37% of the time. You would lose 40% or more of your bankroll about 56% of the time. You would win about 27% of the time. And that assumes error-free play.
Here's a table from DRA-VP, but it'll probably look like a mess when posted:
FINAL BANK % CHANGE PROBABILITY
0 lose 100% 37%
1 - 39 lose 80% to 99% 3%
40 - 79 lose 60% to 80% 7%
80 - 119 lose 40% to 60% 9%
120 - 159 lose 20% to 40% 8%
160 - 199 lose up to 20% 8%
200 - 239 win up to 20% 6%
240 - 279 win 20% to 40% 5%
280 - 319 win 40% to 60% 4%
320 - 359 win 60% to 80% 2%
360 - 399 win 80% to 99+% 1%
400 + double or more 9%
--Dunbar
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Knit30@ wrote:
I never bring more than $200 and I play for 8-10 hours. Every single time I walk away with either a very small dent in the bankroll or, usually, more than I came with.I would say that you have been very lucky to play those hours on that bankroll.
Anybody else?
I don't know what it is then. I went back to Horseshoe S.I. last night, played quarter 8/5 Bonus for 9 hours on $240 and walked out even. Could have walked out ahead many times, but this was a "night out" and not a serious effort for gain. I only left when I did because my friend was out of money from the slots and bored. That's 3 out of 4 8-10 hour sessions now where I have broken even or won plenty. Same strategy, same game, same machines, same bankroll. But only at that casino. Everywhere else my results look just like the probability chart says they will. Usually worse.
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From: dunbar_dra <h_dunbar@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 12:43 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Questions Re: Horseshoe Southern Indiana( Elizabeth)
You are correct, DW. Playing 25c JOB for 9 hours at a leisurely 400 hands/hr, you would go broke about 37% of the time. You would lose 40% or more of your bankroll about 56% of the time. You would win about 27% of the time. And that assumes error-free play.
Here's a table from DRA-VP, but it'll probably look like a mess when posted:
FINAL BANK % CHANGE PROBABILITY
0 lose 100% 37%
1 - 39 lose 80% to 99% 3%
40 - 79 lose 60% to 80% 7%
80 - 119 lose 40% to 60% 9%
120 - 159 lose 20% to 40% 8%
160 - 199 lose up to 20% 8%
200 - 239 win up to 20% 6%
240 - 279 win 20% to 40% 5%
280 - 319 win 40% to 60% 4%
320 - 359 win 60% to 80% 2%
360 - 399 win 80% to 99+% 1%
400 + double or more 9%
--Dunbar
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Knit30@ wrote:
I never bring more than $200 and I play for 8-10 hours. Every single time I walk away with either a very small dent in the bankroll or, usually, more than I came with.I would say that you have been very lucky to play those hours on that bankroll.
Anybody else?
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The data base is accurate in regards to the games that are available. I
don't try to keep a super accurate count of every single game and bank,
but you will have no problem finding plenty of 99.5% options if you like
single line play in halves or dollars. You have to look a bit harder
for full pay Jacks in quarters. Your choices of 99.5% or higher at
halves or dollars include, JoB, Bonus Dlx, SDB, TB+ and SA. I've
found nothing worth paying in multi-line, extra coin variants, or denoms
higher than $1.
Horseshoe also offers regular multiplier days. Usually one day a week
has 7X RCs for Diamond. At the end of this month they are also offering
some 10X days. I plan my visits around such days and this is about the
only Harrah's property I still give any action too. I use the RCs from
here to fund my out of town trips when I stay at other Harrah's
locations and use the comp and stiff approach.
In summary it is a decent venue as far as Harrah's goes. Only drawback
is that the decent plays are all single line and if you want to put
through serious coin in it's a real grind. It does have a nice large
non smoking section on the lower level near the poker room with all of
the good games save Super Aces which can only be found in one location
here. Not sure I would go out of my way to make this a destination
trip, but it has some decent perks. Two free buiffets daily before 3:00
for Diamond level. Also free drinks in Diamond lounge on Friday
evenings (limited hours) which is not the norm in Indiana.
SB
Am trying to convince gf to fly there MLK weekend .Does any one have
any comments pos./neg. to voice about this place? Also, in regards to
Jacks and Bonus Poker is the database accurate ?
It was recently renovated and as of last spring was a clean casino. Most of the better games at at the 50 cent level.
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--- On Fri, 12/11/09, lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net> wrote:
From: lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Questions Re: Horseshoe Southern Indiana( Elizabeth)
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:25 PM
Am trying to convince gf to fly there MLK weekend .Does any one have any comments pos./neg. to voice about this place? Also, in regards to Jacks and Bonus Poker is the database accurate ?
Thanks ,
Larry F.
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Thanks to all who replied. Alas GF has informed me that she has a baby shower to attend that weekend. However, the info I received via replies will be "filed" for future reference.
Larry F.