Help! I'm very confused about the abbreviations. Is there someone kind
enough to post what to look for when playing video poker (VP - at least I
know that one) or point me in the direction of a listing somewhere. I would
be grateful, as I don't want to throw money away by playing at poor payout
type machines. Thanks in advance!
LStewart
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This should help.
http://www.lvcm.com/tomesims/VP/CD/Gloss.html
77,
scottro
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From: queensgrt@aol.com
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Question regarding paytables
Help! I'm very confused about the abbreviations. Is there someone kind
enough to post what to look for when playing video poker (VP - at least I
know that one) or point me in the direction of a listing somewhere. I would
be grateful, as I don't want to throw money away by playing at poor payout
type machines. Thanks in advance!
LStewart
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This link should also help: http://videopoker.fws1.com/index.html
I would also add that FP = full-pay. We use that abbreviation a lot.
The link above gives the payback percentage of basically every VP pay
schedule imaginable. That's very important information. You can
only determine a good machine from a bad one by knowing which pay
schedules to look for and which ones to avoid. By far, the majority
of machines (and in some cases all machines) in a casino are short-
pay, so you have to know exactly what you're looking for. Rarely
will there be a sign on the machine saying, "This one is full pay,"
although I have seen it before.
It's also vitally important to learn the proper strategy for your
machine. But even if you don't, stick to the machines with the best
pay tables to maximize your chances.
Help! I'm very confused about the abbreviations. Is there someone
kind
enough to post what to look for when playing video poker (VP - at
least I
know that one) or point me in the direction of a listing
somewhere. I would
be grateful, as I don't want to throw money away by playing at poor
payout
There are only 3 rules you need to follow:
Rule #1 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans, Suncoast,
Barbary Coast, Gold Coast& McCarran Airport
Rule # 2 Purchase Winpoker software and learn what pay tables to play and
how to play the games.
http://www.zamzone.com/bdpw60.asp
Rule #3 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans, Suncoast,
Barbary Coast, Gold Coast & McCarran Airport
Rasti$Rulz
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vp-heaven
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From: <queensgrt@aol.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Question regarding paytables
Help! I'm very confused about the abbreviations. Is there someone kind
enough to post what to look for when playing video poker (VP - at least I
know that one) or point me in the direction of a listing somewhere. I
would
be grateful, as I don't want to throw money away by playing at poor payout
type machines. Thanks in advance!LStewart
Time out !!!!! Vegas we have a problem. I have tried my best to stay out of the coast casino debates, but the Barbary Coast is one of my favorites for VP and it is my understanding that their FP VP is still intact.
I have no problem with a boycott one coast casino, so boycott all, but I need some alternatives. When I look at the vpFREE database. Barbary Coast is still listed as a top choice for Vegas visitors on the strip for VP play and comps. If that is no longer valid then, what other casino choices are there on the strip with equivalent VP and Comps.
David
Video Poker Vegas <vpvegas@charter.net> wrote: There are only 3 rules you need to follow:
Rule #1 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans, Suncoast,
Barbary Coast, Gold Coast& McCarran Airport
Rule # 2 Purchase Winpoker software and learn what pay tables to play and
how to play the games.
http://www.zamzone.com/bdpw60.asp
Rule #3 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans, Suncoast,
Barbary Coast, Gold Coast & McCarran Airport
Rasti$Rulz
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vp-heaven
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From: <queensgrt@aol.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Question regarding paytables
Help! I'm very confused about the abbreviations. Is there someone kind
enough to post what to look for when playing video poker (VP - at least I
know that one) or point me in the direction of a listing somewhere. I
would
be grateful, as I don't want to throw money away by playing at poor payout
type machines. Thanks in advance!LStewart
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Rule #1 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans,
Suncoast, Barbary Coast, Gold Coast& McCarran Airport
BOYCOTTING BY ADVANTAGE PLAYERS 101:
A winning/advantage player who plays a positive machine/situation
hurts a casino's bottom line.
If a winning/advantage player boycotts a casino that has positive
machines/situations, the casino is delighted.
The real heros in a "reducing the paytables" situation are the
winning/advantage players who continue to play positive situations at
an offending casino, even though they could get a better return at
another casino.
Time out !!!!! Vegas we have a problem. I have tried my best
to stay out of the coast casino debates, but the Barbary Coast
is one of my favorites for VP and it is my understanding that
their FP VP is still intact.
At last report they had FPDW and 10/7 DB.
I have no problem with a boycott one coast casino, so boycott all,
but I need some alternatives. When I look at the vpFREE database.
Barbary Coast is still listed as a top choice for Vegas visitors on
the strip for VP play and comps. If that is no longer valid then,
what other casino choices are there on the strip with equivalent VP
and Comps.
If you are a losing player like Video Poker Vegas, by all means
boycott all Coast casinos. Also, encourage all of your losing friends
to boycott all Coast casinos. And, don't patronize them with any non-
advantage action.
But, if you are a winning/advantage player whose play hurts Coast's
bottom line, then the more you play their positive
machines/situations, the more you hurt their bottom line.
vpFREE Administrator
Video Poker Vegas <vpvegas@charter.net> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2003 at 23:38, nthumphrey wrote:
Crystal Clear,
Thanks for the reply,
David
Rule #1 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans,
Suncoast, Barbary Coast, Gold Coast& McCarran Airport
BOYCOTTING BY ADVANTAGE PLAYERS 101:
A winning/advantage player who plays a positive machine/situation
hurts a casino's bottom line.
If a winning/advantage player boycotts a casino that has positive
machines/situations, the casino is delighted.
The real heros in a "reducing the paytables" situation are the
winning/advantage players who continue to play positive situations at
an offending casino, even though they could get a better return at
another casino.
Time out !!!!! Vegas we have a problem. I have tried my best
to stay out of the coast casino debates, but the Barbary Coast
is one of my favorites for VP and it is my understanding that
their FP VP is still intact.
At last report they had FPDW and 10/7 DB.
I have no problem with a boycott one coast casino, so boycott all,
but I need some alternatives. When I look at the vpFREE database.
Barbary Coast is still listed as a top choice for Vegas visitors on
the strip for VP play and comps. If that is no longer valid then,
what other casino choices are there on the strip with equivalent VP
and Comps.
If you are a losing player like Video Poker Vegas, by all means
boycott all Coast casinos. Also, encourage all of your losing friends
to boycott all Coast casinos. And, don't patronize them with any non-
advantage action.
But, if you are a winning/advantage player whose play hurts Coast's
bottom line, then the more you play their positive
machines/situations, the more you hurt their bottom line.
vpFREE Administrator
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Video Poker Vegas <vpvegas@charter.net> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2003 at 23:38, nthumphrey wrote:
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In my humble opinion, I don't believe Barbary Coast should be boycotted since they do have FPDW and other FPVP. Also, they are very accomodating regarding room and food. Maybe, if Coasts were able to determine the amount of play per player per casino, they would see that Barbary Coast play has increased from both visitors and locals. Does the change in gaming at the other Coast properties have to do with the new Coast Card coming out?
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That's a very good question regarding the new Coast card, it's
something I have also pondered. The question is, why would that
card (which will link the Orleans, Suncoast and Gold Coast) cause
the death of FPDW? What's the link?
Also consider the possibility that the casino can track each of its machines
by type and has a pretty good idea what each is "costing" them. iow, they
know their estimated handle per game and per pay. If fpdb is a loss for them
then there are two alternatives: keep it there or pull it out. If they
keep it there, then likely it's as a loss leader, since most who play it
will (1) not play well enough to hurt them and/or (2) will also play other
games with a greater house percentage.
lb
Who knows what they would do.
My point is/was that winning/advantage players hurt a casino's bottom
line when they play positive situations, and that a boycott by
winning/advantage players doesn't make sense, and on the contrary is
exactly what the casino wants.
I didn't say anything about how many winning/advantage players there
are, or to what degree their effect could/would be. And, I certainly
didn't say anything about their play bringing back FPDW, or not.
I continue to feel that the best way to preserve positive video poker
is to educate the masses to demand positive games, and then have the
masses play those games poorly. Spreading the word to the masses, one
on one or through the media, that only the "really good" games should
be played, and that Casino X has gotten rid of their "really good"
games is IMO our most effective tactic.
It also makes sense to withold all non-advantage patronage from
offending casinos.
vpFREE Administrator
On 30 Mar 2003 at 20:03, Sally wrote:
It's not crystal clear to me. It's all foggy. First of all I really
doubt that the few players who actually can play quarter 10/7 at an
advantage would have a noticeable effect on Coast's return. That's why
Coast left the 10/7, isn't it? Also if they "continue to play" there,
they were already playing there, so there would be no effect. Isn't
that right?
But here's why I really don't get this idea. I'll assume I
underestimate how many winning 10/7 players there are, and that those
who think they are, really are. Even if that heroic band of advantage
players really could lower Coast's return on 10/7 DB by a noticeable
amount, how would that have any effect on them bringing back fpdw? I'm
sorry if I'm being dense. As I said the last time this came up, if it
had that much of an effect, wouldn't they just take out the 10/7? I'm
probably missing something. Sal
All I know is that I am getting carpal tunnel AND wearing away the "del" printing on my keyboard trying to keep up with all this, and affiliated threads.
ADR
Tom, I couldn't disagree with you more. To clarify the record, I'm not a
loser at video poker. I know my limitations and I play FPDW and PE for a
small profit (with cashback and comps). My point was that I also brought
other family members into the Coast properties who played slots and video
poker at less than the optimum level. We also occasionally played negative
expectation table games and patronized the Sports Book which resulted in
loss in 2002. If a player stays out of the Coast properties, there is a
less than zero chance he/she will contribute to the profit. To think that
continued play at the Coasts is going to have any positive effect is beyond
any logic that I can comprehend. If you so called "heroes" can in fact play
perfect DB, then their play at the Coasts will certainly lead to the demise
of those games too.
Rasti$Rulz
Coasts Casinos = vp-hell
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To: "vpFREE" <vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:25 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Boycotts
Video Poker Vegas <vpvegas@charter.net> wrote:
> Rule #1 AVOID play at all COASTS casinos, including Orleans,
> Suncoast, Barbary Coast, Gold Coast& McCarran AirportBOYCOTTING BY ADVANTAGE PLAYERS 101:
A winning/advantage player who plays a positive machine/situation
hurts a casino's bottom line.If a winning/advantage player boycotts a casino that has positive
machines/situations, the casino is delighted.The real heros in a "reducing the paytables" situation are the
winning/advantage players who continue to play positive situations at
an offending casino, even though they could get a better return at
another casino.On 28 Mar 2003 at 23:38, nthumphrey wrote:
> Time out !!!!! Vegas we have a problem. I have tried my best
> to stay out of the coast casino debates, but the Barbary Coast
> is one of my favorites for VP and it is my understanding that
> their FP VP is still intact.At last report they had FPDW and 10/7 DB.
> I have no problem with a boycott one coast casino, so boycott all,
> but I need some alternatives. When I look at the vpFREE database.
> Barbary Coast is still listed as a top choice for Vegas visitors on
> the strip for VP play and comps. If that is no longer valid then,
> what other casino choices are there on the strip with equivalent VP
> and Comps.If you are a losing player like Video Poker Vegas, by all means
boycott all Coast casinos. Also, encourage all of your losing friends
to boycott all Coast casinos. And, don't patronize them with any non-
advantage action.But, if you are a winning/advantage player whose play hurts Coast's
bottom line, then the more you play their positive
machines/situations, the more you hurt their bottom line.vpFREE Administrator