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Question for the VP experts

#1

Everyone on this site probably knows Caesars has plenty of 9/6 JoB.
I played a few of them Monday night. But I also noticed that on the
same machines, the paytables for other games were ridiculously weak.
As an example, DDB was 8/5 or 7/5.

Which got me to thinking: what would be the logic in this from the
casino's point of view? If a casino is offering a 99.5% game, why
not offer 9/6 DDB or 9/7 DB on the same machine? Are they themselves
afraid of the volatility? Or do they think most players are just
clueless, and if bored with JoB, will switch to another game on the
machine without looking at the paytable?

Someone on the casino floor has to make this decision. If anyone
can, help me to understand their logic (if there is any).

#2

Which got me to thinking: what would be the logic in this from the

casino's point of view? If a casino is offering a 99.5% game, why not offer
9/6 DDB or 9/7 DB

on the same machine? Are they themselves afraid of
the volatility? Or do they think most players are just
clueless, and if bored with JoB, will switch to another game on the

machine without looking at the paytable?

Charles,
   By an overwhelming majority, the visitors to our fair city that stay in
the strip joints would not know the difference between a paytable and a
coffee table.

Someone on the casino floor has to make this decision. >If anyone can, help

me to understand their logic

(if there is any).

Would it matter who? That's why I tend to believe that the term casino
marketing is an oxymoron all on it's own.

Nudge

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From: "Charles" <fromthevault@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Question for the VP experts

#3

Which got me to thinking: what would be the logic in this from the
casino's point of view? If a casino is offering a 99.5% game, why
not offer 9/6 DDB or 9/7 DB on the same machine? Are they

themselves

afraid of the volatility? Or do they think most players are just
clueless, and if bored with JoB, will switch to another game on the
machine without looking at the paytable?

Someone on the casino floor has to make this decision. If anyone
can, help me to understand their logic (if there is

any).>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've stopped trying to figure out casino logic. I've see the same
sort of odd collection of pay tables in one machine. I have seen a
casino offer full pay All American and short pay Pick 'em in the same
machine. They were willing to put out the full pay version of a
100.7% game, but offered only the short pay version of a 99.9% game.
Very strange.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

#4

I'm sure that casinos have the opinion, and no doubt the data to back it up, that generally (obviously there are exceptions) people who play 8/5 Bonus Poker and 9/6 Double Double Bonus poker, will play the shorter pay tables if that's what they are offered. My personal observations tend to confirm that.

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On the other hand, people who play 9/6 Jacks will, by and large, ignore a short pay version. Obviously there are exceptions. Skip Charles wrote:

Everyone on this site probably knows Caesars has plenty of 9/6 JoB.
I played a few of them Monday night. But I also noticed that on the
same machines, the paytables for other games were ridiculously weak.
As an example, DDB was 8/5 or 7/5.

Which got me to thinking: what would be the logic in this from the
casino's point of view? If a casino is offering a 99.5% game, why
not offer 9/6 DDB or 9/7 DB on the same machine? Are they themselves
afraid of the volatility? Or do they think most players are just
clueless, and if bored with JoB, will switch to another game on the
machine without looking at the paytable?

Someone on the casino floor has to make this decision. If anyone
can, help me to understand their logic (if there is any).

#5

Judging by the responses, I am glad it's not just me. The same sort
of theme applies to newer VP games. IGT pours money into R&D,
assembles machines, and markets them. Casinos buy or lease these
machines, have workers move machines to make way for the new
machines, and then some idiot puts a obscene paytable on the
machine, and thus the game never catches on. Chase The Royal, Trade
Up Poker, Matrix Poker, Fast Action Poker, Five Aces; the list just
keeps growing.

Or the same idiot manager that thinks that players at the Suncoast
are going to pop $5 a hand playing max into a 5-Play Multi-Strike
with a 96% paytable. Solution: fire the managers and raise the
paytables!!

I've stopped trying to figure out casino logic. I've see the same
sort of odd collection of pay tables in one machine. I have seen a
casino offer full pay All American and short pay Pick 'em in the same
machine. They were willing to put out the full pay version of a
100.7% game, but offered only the short pay version of a 99.9%
game.
Very strange.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@h...> wrote:

#6

............ Caesars has plenty of 9/6 JoB.

I played a few of them Monday night. But I also noticed that on

the

same machines, the paytables for other games were ridiculously

weak.

As an example, DDB was 8/5 or 7/5.

Which got me to thinking: what would be the logic in this from the
casino's point of view? If a casino is offering a 99.5% game, why
not offer 9/6 DDB or 9/7 DB on the same machine?

              <snip>

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

Hi Charles,

In their infinite wisdom and greediness, I think that the suits
realize that a lot of clueless vp players will switch games but not
machines. The uninformed thinking process being: "I've invested
too much in this machine to let some one else have it now".
Therefore, if 9/6JoB is not paying off, they switch to another game
with an inferior pay table, but continue to play at the same
machine.

Many o/w uninformed tourists have heard that "9/6Jacks" is a good
game to play. They are not as familiar with DB or DDB, and assume
that 8/5 or even 7/5 are good pay tables as well, since they are on
the same machine as 9/6Jacks. Of course, this is exactly what the
casino honchos are hoping for, and just reinforces their belief that
the casinos will never go broke by counting on the gullibilty of the
majority of the gambling public.

Furthermore, I don't think they care that this type of delibrate
enticement to play a poor pay table, irritates and drives off the
knowledgable players. They don't really want their business anyway.

That's pretty much my take on their "logic".

          Babe

#7

I saw that at Caesars on some triple/five plays near the Elton Jones
store, next to a quarter Wheel of Fortune carousel. The JB was 9/6,
but the DDB was 7/5. I will venture a guess, but it is just a guess.
If you read the VP literature on the Internet, magazines and books,
JB has a lot of coverage, DDB much less so. The managers, if they are
wise, know that most people who have bothered to get themselves
informed, would know 9/6 JB is relatively good and close to 100%, but
they will have no clue on DB or DDB. Since it is also universally
stated by the same literature sources that JB is boring, the managers
decide to 'give in' and offer good JB, but on the same machines offer
other games with a lousy pay table, expecting gambler to play mostly
the other games. Having said all of this, I must commend Caesars for

Everyone on this site probably knows Caesars has plenty of 9/6 JoB.
I played a few of them Monday night. But I also noticed that on the
same machines, the paytables for other games were ridiculously

weak.

As an example, DDB was 8/5 or 7/5.

Which got me to thinking: what would be the logic in this from the
casino's point of view? If a casino is offering a 99.5% game, why
not offer 9/6 DDB or 9/7 DB on the same machine? Are they

themselves

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at least offering some nice games in quarters, something that their neighbors now refuse to do, darn! --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

afraid of the volatility? Or do they think most players are just
clueless, and if bored with JoB, will switch to another game on the
machine without looking at the paytable?

Someone on the casino floor has to make this decision. If anyone
can, help me to understand their logic (if there is any).