Question for Frank about Easy Street fiasco

[Bob4]

I was just wondering. I know that people, you especially, can play really fast at video poker in brick & mortar. What about online, though? I don't have a casino still on my computer so I cannot take a look, but before they knocked us Americans out I used to play video poker all the time, and I only clicked it with a mouse, so I think I was actually slower than I would be in brick & mortar, which is about 600-700 hands per hour.

So, I don't remember if a player online can choose the discards with the keyboard or not, if so then maybe someone CAN play real fast online also. But for me, I used to click with the mouse. So where I'm going with this, is it, or was it, possible for a player to play online real fast, without a bot?

(I know I rambled a bit here, but I'm sure you get my drift)

Either way, and even so, sounds like Easy Street Casino sucks. They handled this very poorly from my view. And I don't blame the guy for not going to friggin Costa Rica or wherever, I'd be scared too, dude, no way! lol Might end up with Uncle Pussy on the Sopranos.

[Frank1]

My initial reaction was that the casino had acted appropriately. They said, "no bots." He used a bot--end of story.

I have retracted that opinion for many reasons. One of them is the ridiculous claims they made about him playing fast to overwhelm the RNG. As if that were even possible. As I see it, if they really had a right on their side they would not be making up silly things to strengthen their case. Of course, maybe they would. People are strange.

Is it possible to play that fast? If you could use number keys, then yes. If you were restricted to the mouse, then I'd say no.

1000 HPH is slow in the circles I travel. Also 100% accuracy on an easy game like 9/6 JoB is no big deal either.

I could name at least 12 guys, just on my phone, that would consider this so called impossible feat, "a day at the office".

I might not be among them anymore. I'm rusty.

In summary: there is no way to know who's right or wrong, we have only hearsay to go on. I agree with Michael that places which prohibit bots should be suspect, since they have an easy out if you run good.

He used a bot...so we won't pay. Then you are guilty until you prove your innocence. Who needs that grief.

In this particular instance the casino might actually have been in the right, but it's a case precedence that's not good for players.

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

I was just wondering. I know that people, you especially, can play really fast at video poker in brick & mortar. What about online, though? I don't have a casino still on my computer so I cannot take a look, but before they knocked us Americans out I used to play video poker all the time, and I only clicked it with a mouse, so I think I was actually slower than I would be in brick & mortar, which is about 600-700 hands per hour.

So, I don't remember if a player online can choose the discards with the keyboard or not, if so then maybe someone CAN play real fast online also. But for me, I used to click with the mouse. So where I'm going with this, is it, or was it, possible for a player to play online real fast, without a bot?

(I know I rambled a bit here, but I'm sure you get my drift)

Either way, and even so, sounds like Easy Street Casino sucks. They handled this very poorly from my view. And I don't blame the guy for not going to friggin Costa Rica or wherever, I'd be scared too, dude, no way! lol Might end up with Uncle Pussy on the Sopranos.

[Howard_Stern1]

Every claim Easy Street made was proven to either an outright lie or
non-verifiable. His speed was nowhere near as fast as they claimed as their
own history records they released showed. He had played more than 22,000
hands not the 8792 they claimed. (I have been very lucky in the last week
and had 3 royals in less than 1000 hands at a live casino.) Their so-called
expert will not give his name and I suspect he has not got a clue! They have
not shown the records of what was held on each hand to anybody so assuming
they know the correct plays they have not proved this player played perfect
vp. In short, these guys are crooks but sadly it will be nearly impossible
to punish them or force them to pay up.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Frank
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 3:26 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Question for Frank about Easy Street fiasco

My initial reaction was that the casino had acted appropriately. They said,
"no bots." He used a bot--end of story.

I have retracted that opinion for many reasons. One of them is the
ridiculous claims they made about him playing fast to overwhelm the RNG. As
if that were even possible. As I see it, if they really had a right on their
side they would not be making up silly things to strengthen their case. Of
course, maybe they would. People are strange.

Is it possible to play that fast? If you could use number keys, then yes. If
you were restricted to the mouse, then I'd say no.

1000 HPH is slow in the circles I travel. Also 100% accuracy on an easy game
like 9/6 JoB is no big deal either.

I could name at least 12 guys, just on my phone, that would consider this so
called impossible feat, "a day at the office".

I might not be among them anymore. I'm rusty.

In summary: there is no way to know who's right or wrong, we have only
hearsay to go on. I agree with Michael that places which prohibit bots
should be suspect, since they have an easy out if you run good.

He used a bot...so we won't pay. Then you are guilty until you prove your
innocence. Who needs that grief.

In this particular instance the casino might actually have been in the
right, but it's a case precedence that's not good for players.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob
Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

I was just wondering. I know that people, you especially, can play really

fast at video poker in brick & mortar. What about online, though? I don't
have a casino still on my computer so I cannot take a look, but before they
knocked us Americans out I used to play video poker all the time, and I only
clicked it with a mouse, so I think I was actually slower than I would be in
brick & mortar, which is about 600-700 hands per hour.

So, I don't remember if a player online can choose the discards with the

keyboard or not, if so then maybe someone CAN play real fast online also.
But for me, I used to click with the mouse. So where I'm going with this, is
it, or was it, possible for a player to play online real fast, without a
bot?

(I know I rambled a bit here, but I'm sure you get my drift)

Either way, and even so, sounds like Easy Street Casino sucks. They

handled this very poorly from my view. And I don't blame the guy for not
going to friggin Costa Rica or wherever, I'd be scared too, dude, no way!
lol Might end up with Uncle Pussy on the Sopranos.

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[Bob4]

I know it was the case with many online casinos, especially in the beginning days and with the ones who were operating out of certain Central American countries, that once they got a bad reputation for stiffing players, they could simply move and/or change their name. I think it was especially so with sports books, which were and still are a dime a dozen. I know when I started playing in about 2001, it was essentially the Wild West, bad guys everywhere. I think it's still basically like that, especially with the smaller sites.

One amusing incident comes to mind as I'm typing, and I'm sure you can google it. There was a online casino that was actually using Microgaming software, which is a major provider, and their name was Goodfellows Casino. They stiffed everyone. lol Imagine that, a bunch of crooks at a place called Goodfellows Casino. I can't help but see some humor in that. Anyway, eventually the software provider supervised claims by the injured players and people got their money back. They were lucky.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:

In short, these guys are crooks but sadly it will be nearly impossible
to punish them or force them to pay up.

[Robert3]

If a person doesn't bet or play with an A+ rated book or casino, they have no one to blame but themselves if they get stiffed. Players get infatuated with these big bonuses that these scam books offer, and then are surprised when they don't pay.

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I know it was the case with many online casinos, especially in the beginning days and with the ones who were operating out of certain Central American countries, that once they got a bad reputation for stiffing players, they could simply move and/or change their name. I think it was especially so with sports books, which were and still are a dime a dozen. I know when I started playing in about 2001, it was essentially the Wild West, bad guys everywhere. I think it's still basically like that, especially with the smaller sites.

One amusing incident comes to mind as I'm typing, and I'm sure you can google it. There was a online casino that was actually using Microgaming software, which is a major provider, and their name was Goodfellows Casino. They stiffed everyone. lol Imagine that, a bunch of crooks at a place called Goodfellows Casino. I can't help but see some humor in that. Anyway, eventually the software provider supervised claims by the injured players and people got their money back. They were lucky.