I thought I was all set yesterday relating to VLTs, RNG, Class II and Class
III Gaming and the differences. But I guess it ain't so. From the most recent
posts, it seems that class II vs class III gaming determines whether the RNG is
based on a deck of cards or some type of weighted bingo game. However,
several of the questions regarding identifying these machines and whether you can
assume that all machines within the state are the same are still outstanding.
Here's my summary of what's been posted.
1) VLT's can be based on a RNG or not. The deciding factor is whether it is
class II or class III gaming. Is this the general consensus?
2) Class II gaming is not random based on a deck of cards. It is based on an
underlying bingo game. This is what accounting for me being redealt a winning
hand I threw away 5X in a row.
3) Can there be a mixture of class II and class III gaming within a state.
ie. Indian Casinos and VLTs at a racetrack? Or, would all locations within a
state be Class II and not RNG?
4) Is there a comprehensive list of states / locations that do not have RNG
video poker?
Thanks
Joel
In a message dated 9/26/2004 9:59:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vphobby@cox.net writes:
It is not an analogy, it is a fact. Class 2 machines are linked to a
central server that is running many, many bingo games rapidly. Most (all?)
class 2 machines actually have a very small display that shows the bingo
card. If your card is a winner, the machine translates the win into a
display on the machine, i.e. 3 7's, a flush, etc. That's why in Washington
State what you discard appears to have no effect on the outcome of the
game. The hand displayed (or the extra indicator as has been described)
will adjust the result to match the bingo game. So in a Class 2 VP machine,
the pay table has no effect on return, it is the bingo game behind the
scenes that determines outcome. This phenomenon is not as obvious on Class
2 machines that model slots.Class 2 games are Bingo, punchboards, and I think there is another. Casino
table games, video poker, slots are not permitted.However, this all has nothing to do with whether the machine is a VLT or a
stand-alone. Washington State's VLT's are Class 2 machines, I believe
Delaware's VLT's are Class 3. Can anyone confirm this?Hope this clears it up.
>Bill…I do not understand your bingo analogy. Bingo truly is a
>random game, as each numbered ball has an equal probability of being
>drawn. If the central VLT server is programmed to spit out the
>various winning combinations with predetermined frequencies, as in
>class 2 machines, that is very different from bingo. It is, as Harry
>said, more like a lottery scratch-off ticket. Or have I misread your
>meaning?
>
>Regards,
>Perry
>
>
>>With all respect to Harry, I believe the information previously
>given is
>>incorrect. The important factor is not whether the machines in a
>given
>>state are VLT's or stand-alones, the important factor is whether
>the casino
>>is permitted Class 3 machines or is restricted to Class 2. Class 2
>machines
>>are actually bingo machines. When you spin the reels or draw a
>video poker
>>hand you are actually playing bingo. If your card wins winning
>symbols or a
>>winning hand displays on your machine. It is random in the sense
>that bingo
>>is random.
>>
>>If you are playing a Class 3 machine, whether VLT or stand-alone
>the RNG
>>program works exactly the same. The only difference is that with a
>VLT the
>>RNG is running on a central server. However, this makes no
>difference to
>>the randomness. If you are playing an IGT, Bally, Sigma, etc. Class
>3 video
>>poker machine the pay table will accurately show the potential
>return.
>>
>>I will be researching this further in the next few weeks and will
>post if I
>>find I'm incorrect in any respect.
>>
>>>Harry,
>>>Thanks for the information. That's the first clear concise
>explanation I've
>>>read differentiating RNG and VLT VP.
>>>Now for a few more questions.
>>>When playing, is there anyway to determine whether you're playing
>a VLT game
>>>without throwing away winning hands?
>>>Is there a comprehensive list available of Casinos / Racinos that
>are VLT?
>>>If one gambling location in a state has VLT, will they all be VLT
>or can they
>>>vary? For example, I understand that slots have been added to
>several other
>>>race tracks in NYS. Is it correct to assume they are all VLT?
>>>Thanks
>>>Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 9/26/2004 11:41:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>pelotari1672@y… writes:
>>>
>>>>VLT vp machines, by definition, don't function off an RNG.
>>>>Instead, a
>>>>>central server pre-determines a win/lose result for each play,
>and
>>>>the
>>>>>amount of the win if appropriate. It can be thought of as the
>>>>>equivalent of a video scratch card. Whatever win comes up, the
>>>>>machine deals a hand that produces a result paying that win.
>>>>
>>
>>
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At 06:12 PM 09/26/2004, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby@c...> wrote:
>>At 09:32 AM 09/26/2004, you wrote: