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QQ TDB ER, dancer error

No error.

9/5 TDB Quick Quads pays 260 coins for four 5s -Ks, with six coins
bet/hand.

9/6 TDB Quick Quads pays 250 for those same hands.

The extra payout for the quads nearly offsets the lower paying flush.

Brian

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In a message dated 7/12/2009 1:23:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fivespot55@gmail.com writes:

bob dancer's articles and book give the return of 9/5 triple double
bonus quick quads as 98.21%, and 9/6 triple double bonus quick quads
as 98.31%. the book notes that "it's very surprising that it doesn't
matter much whether you play the version that returns 6-for-1 for the
flush or 5-for-1."

it's not just "surprising", it's impossible. playing 9/6 instead of
9/5 means you get an extra five coins every time you hit a flush. 0.1%
extra ER means you get six extra coins every thousand hands. for these
two amounts to be equal, you'd have to hit a flush only once per 833
hands.

this is... implausible. you're *dealt* a flush a little less than once
every 500 hands. in non-QQ TDB, you hit a flush once every 79 hands.

so. has anyone independently analyzed this game to determine what the
*actual* ER is? the only QQ figures i've seen other than dancer's are
from mike shackleford on wizardofodds.com, and for some reason he's
done the other five games (BP, JoB, DB, DDB, TB+) but not TDB.

thanks,

five

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well, it's a *different* error. his book lists both 9/5 and 9/6 as
returning 250 coins on quad 5-K. if the paytable he's printed is
incorrect, then yes, the ER figures could be correct.

good news: mystery solved. bad news: it means QQ TDB really does suck
as much as advertised. :slight_smile:

thanks,

five

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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:03 AM, <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote:

No error.

9/5 TDB Quick Quads pays 260 coins for four 5s -Ks, with six coins
bet/hand.

9/6 TDB Quick Quads pays 250 for those same hands.

The extra payout for the quads nearly offsets the lower paying flush.