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Q Re Washington Tribal VP

#1

"ggman444" Wrote:

The VPFree FAQ info on VLTs written by Linda Boyd and Bill Coleman,

and also the Washington Tribal Gaming FAQs that I accessed via a
VPFree link, say the skill is not a factor when playing these VLTs.
But my short experiment indicates that intentionally departing from
the correct strategy will usually make the outcome worse. <<

Sounds like Washington State has some Class III games now. If you were playing a Class II VLT, then a genie or some other sort of device would make sure the results were the same for all players.

Linda Boyd
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#2

Linda Boyd wrote:

Sounds like Washington State has some Class III games now. If you
were playing a Class II VLT, then a genie or some other sort of
device would make sure the results were the same for all players.

Linda,

Admittedly my head spins a bit every time the Class II/III discussion
raises its head, but isn't VLT a Class III game?

My understanding is Class II is driven off a "bingo" engine in
generating payouts. Class III is everything else, including games
that are electronic "pull tab" equivalents -- e.g. VLT's.

"Class III" isn't a guarantee of a fairly dealt game (in other words,
NV-compliant).

Concerning GMan's original post, if tossing a paying pair on the
machine he trialed doesn't yield a guaranteed win anyway, then the
machine in question is something other than VLT. However, I would
need much greater assurance of the underlying gaming mechanism before
I'd place confidence in the machine being fair. (Of course, Linda,
you were merely asserting that the machine would be Class III, not
that it was necessarily fair.)

- Harry

#3

I was about to add...

Check the help screens. If an IGT machine it should give an
additional help screen that describes the "genie" then something was
wrong with your test. If it doesn't then they have added new machines.

However, Linda a small point. The scratchoff-based VLT's are actually
class III under the law. Class II are only Bingo or pull-tab or
punch-board based. And Washington is a Class III state.

B

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At 07:39 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:

"ggman444" Wrote:
>>The VPFree FAQ info on VLTs written by Linda Boyd and Bill Coleman,
and also the Washington Tribal Gaming FAQs that I accessed via a
VPFree link, say the skill is not a factor when playing these VLTs.
But my short experiment indicates that intentionally departing from
the correct strategy will usually make the outcome worse. <<

Sounds like Washington State has some Class III games now. If you
were playing a Class II VLT, then a genie or some other sort of
device would make sure the results were the same for all players.

Linda Boyd
Author: "The Video Poker Edge"
www.squareonepublishers.com
Toll Free: 1-877-900-2665
Amazon.com/Bookstores: Stocked or By Order
Best Tutorial Software: WinPoker
www.videopokerpractice.com

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#4

There are a few Indian casinos in Eastern Washington that have never
signed a compact with the state. I haven't been to any but have heard
they have Nevada type machines. Perhaps someone on this site could
enlighten us.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Linda Boyd wrote:
> Sounds like Washington State has some Class III games now. If you
> were playing a Class II VLT, then a genie or some other sort of
> device would make sure the results were the same for all players.

Linda,

#5

Class III machines are illegal in tribal casinos unless a compact is
signed with the state. If a tribe has not signed a compact they can
only offer Class II.

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At 10:28 AM 2/20/2007, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> Linda Boyd wrote:
> > Sounds like Washington State has some Class III games now. If you
> > were playing a Class II VLT, then a genie or some other sort of
> > device would make sure the results were the same for all players.
>
> Linda,
>

There are a few Indian casinos in Eastern Washington that have never
signed a compact with the state. I haven't been to any but have heard
they have Nevada type machines. Perhaps someone on this site could
enlighten us.

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#6

It has been in the Hustlers Grapevine for many years that these
tribes in Eastern Washington were openly ignoring the law and had
Mevada type machines. I cannot say for sure that it is true as I
have never been there, but that is what I was told by hustlers up in
the area working American/Canadian exchange rates. They told me they
were getting full bore for Canadian money at these casinos.

Class III machines are illegal in tribal casinos unless a compact

is

signed with the state. If a tribe has not signed a compact they can
only offer Class II.

>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@>

wrote:

> >
> > Linda Boyd wrote:
> > > Sounds like Washington State has some Class III games now. If

you

> > > were playing a Class II VLT, then a genie or some other sort

of

> > > device would make sure the results were the same for all

players.

> >
> > Linda,
> >
>
>There are a few Indian casinos in Eastern Washington that have

never

>signed a compact with the state. I haven't been to any but have

heard

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

At 10:28 AM 2/20/2007, you wrote:
>they have Nevada type machines. Perhaps someone on this site could
>enlighten us.
>
>
>
>
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>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

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#7

I was at one 6 years ago and can verify your statement ... at that time.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

It has been in the Hustlers Grapevine for many years that these
tribes in Eastern Washington were openly ignoring the law and had
Mevada type machines. I cannot say for sure that it is true as I
have never been there

#8

the area working American/Canadian exchange rates. They told me they
were getting full bore for Canadian money at these casinos.
......................

REPLY: This was much in the news during my recent trip to Seattle.
The eastern Washington tribes have just recently agreed to give up
their "illegal" machines in return for some concessions by the State of
Washington. Now they (the eastern tribes], too, will be "forced" to
offer 85% EV machines.

The new compact(s)will allow all tribes to have more machines.
Also, tribes that do NOT currently have a casino will be allowed to
sell/lease their machine entitlements to tribes located closer to
population centers. Sort of like the "carbon cap trading" being
advocated by businesses that don't currently emit any carbon but would
like to sell their entitlement to emit carbon to those who already emit
too much. Please ignore that last sentence if it belongs on VPFreeFree.
(: :slight_smile:

The GMan

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

It has been in the Hustlers Grapevine for many years that these
tribes in Eastern Washington were openly ignoring the law and had
Mevada type machines. I cannot say for sure that it is true as I
have never been there, but that is what I was told by hustlers up in