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Proper Bankrolls for a few of the most popular vp games

#1

What are the proper bankrolls for the following vp games:
$1 9/6 JoB Single Play =
$1 9/6 JoB Triple Play =
$1 9/6 JoB Five Play =
$1 NSUD Single Play =
$1 NSUD Triple Play =
$1 NSUD Five Play =
$1 8/5 BP Single Play =
$1 8/5 BP Triple Play =
$1 8/5 BP Five Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Single Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Triple Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Five Play =

#2

You need to specify what you mean by bankroll. Is this for a weekend,
a year or your entire life? All of these games are negative so the
bankroll requirements go up the longer you intend to play.

Dick

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@...> wrote:

What are the proper bankrolls for the following vp games:
$1 9/6 JoB Single Play =
$1 9/6 JoB Triple Play =
$1 9/6 JoB Five Play =
$1 NSUD Single Play =
$1 NSUD Triple Play =
$1 NSUD Five Play =
$1 8/5 BP Single Play =
$1 8/5 BP Triple Play =
$1 8/5 BP Five Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Single Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Triple Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Five Play =

#3

>
> What are the proper bankrolls for the following vp games:
> $1 9/6 JoB Single Play =
> $1 9/6 JoB Triple Play =
> $1 9/6 JoB Five Play =
> $1 NSUD Single Play =
> $1 NSUD Triple Play =
> $1 NSUD Five Play =
> $1 8/5 BP Single Play =
> $1 8/5 BP Triple Play =
> $1 8/5 BP Five Play =
> $1 9/6 DDB Single Play =
> $1 9/6 DDB Triple Play =
> $1 9/6 DDB Five Play =

You need to specify what you mean by bankroll. Is this for a

weekend,

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@> wrote:
a year or your entire life? All of these games are negative so the
bankroll requirements go up the longer you intend to play.

Dick

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gilbert's reply:
OK.
Bankroll for a weekend and a year sounds good (very reasonable)!
I'm not sure if a bankroll for life makes any sense at all since that
will be very very unpredictable. Do people know how many more years
or months they have left before they die?

Thanks.

#4

For infinite play or for a specific number of hands?

IMO Video Poker for Winners can give you all the information that you want.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@...> wrote:

What are the proper bankrolls for the following vp games:
$1 9/6 JoB Single Play =
$1 9/6 JoB Triple Play =
$1 9/6 JoB Five Play =
$1 NSUD Single Play =
$1 NSUD Triple Play =
$1 NSUD Five Play =
$1 8/5 BP Single Play =
$1 8/5 BP Triple Play =
$1 8/5 BP Five Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Single Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Triple Play =
$1 9/6 DDB Five Play =

#5

gilbert wrote:
Good suggestion bornloser but, I don't have Video Poker for Winners
that's why I ask for this info here. Next time my friends ask me the
same question about bankrolls, I'll have more info for them.
The Bankroll Calculator in Video Poker for Winners is not very easy
(user friendly) to use so after the trial period, I decided to not
buy the product and wait for the next version, if I see the
improvement.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:

For infinite play or for a specific number of hands?

IMO Video Poker for Winners can give you all the information that

you want.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@> wrote:
>
> What are the proper bankrolls for the following vp games:
> $1 9/6 JoB Single Play =
> $1 9/6 JoB Triple Play =
> $1 9/6 JoB Five Play =
> $1 NSUD Single Play =
> $1 NSUD Triple Play =
> $1 NSUD Five Play =
> $1 8/5 BP Single Play =
> $1 8/5 BP Triple Play =
> $1 8/5 BP Five Play =
> $1 9/6 DDB Single Play =
> $1 9/6 DDB Triple Play =
> $1 9/6 DDB Five Play =
>

#6

Bankroll for life is how much money you need so that you never need to
worry about going broke. This is normally expressed with a risk of
ruin (ROR) number. The risk of ruin is normally between 10% and 1%
for most players.

In other words if you wanted to play $1 NSUD single line with 0.6%
cash back with a 1% chance of going broke you would need about $86,000
in bank roll. 0.1% ROR would require $125,000.

Any game where the return plus cash back is less than 100% has an
infinite longer term bankroll.

I personally play at the level where my bankroll (defined as a
gambling fund, kept in a seperate bank account used only for gambling)
has a 1% ROR or better. I know others here define bankroll
differently or take much greater risks.

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> > What are the proper bankrolls for the following vp games:
> > $1 9/6 JoB Single Play =
> > $1 9/6 JoB Triple Play =
> > $1 9/6 JoB Five Play =
> > $1 NSUD Single Play =
> > $1 NSUD Triple Play =
> > $1 NSUD Five Play =
> > $1 8/5 BP Single Play =
> > $1 8/5 BP Triple Play =
> > $1 8/5 BP Five Play =
> > $1 9/6 DDB Single Play =
> > $1 9/6 DDB Triple Play =
> > $1 9/6 DDB Five Play =
>
> You need to specify what you mean by bankroll. Is this for a
weekend,
> a year or your entire life? All of these games are negative so the
> bankroll requirements go up the longer you intend to play.
>
> Dick
>

gilbert's reply:
OK.
Bankroll for a weekend and a year sounds good (very reasonable)!
I'm not sure if a bankroll for life makes any sense at all since that
will be very very unpredictable. Do people know how many more years
or months they have left before they die?

Thanks.

#7

Bankroll for life is how much money you need so that you never need

to

worry about going broke. This is normally expressed with a risk of
ruin (ROR) number. The risk of ruin is normally between 10% and 1%
for most players.

In other words if you wanted to play $1 NSUD single line with 0.6%
cash back with a 1% chance of going broke you would need about

$86,000

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kiwiboy4921" <waynes@...> wrote:

in bank roll. 0.1% ROR would require $125,000.

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gilbert wrote:
So, what does this $86,000 or $125,000 translates to in a weekend
bankroll?
Do you calculate it by the number of hands per hour or total number
of hours played or something similar? How do you get the numbers?

#8

>
> In other words if you wanted to play $1 NSUD single line with

0.6%

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kiwiboy4921" <waynes@> wrote:
> cash back with a 1% chance of going broke you would need about
$86,000
> in bank roll. 0.1% ROR would require $125,000.
>
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gilbert wrote:
So, what does this $86,000 or $125,000 translates to in a weekend
bankroll?
Do you calculate it by the number of hands per hour or total

number

of hours played or something similar? How do you get the numbers?

Using DRA-VP, I get $86,500 and $129,750 for the 1% and 0.1% levels
of RoR for that game (rounded up to the nearest $50). Note,
however, that if you tip $100 for an RF and $20 for quad deuces,
your bankroll requirements would rise to $133,550 and $200,300 for
those same levels of RoR.

There is no simple way to convert longterm bankroll figs to a
weekend bankroll requirement without using specialized software like
VPFW or DRA-VP. For example, using DRA-VP and assuming 20 hours of
play at 400 hands/hr, I get that a $4000 "weekend" bankroll would
result in a 0.4% chance of ruin (for the $1 NSUD game with 0.6%
cashback described above). So, you don't need to bring the entire
$100K or so longterm bankroll for a weekend of play!

--Dunbar

#9

Question for you and group.

The game is 9/6 JOB. CB is about .3 and bounce back brings us up to
about 100%. But cb don't count till next time as it's not instant.
About 10% of the games are 8/5 Bonus.

A trip of $130,000 handle should net a loss of how much?

Lets say we play about $65,000 at a $1 and $65,000 at $2. The way I
would figure it is one should lose about 3% while waiting for a
royal and drawing one SF. Maybe a little higher loss since not
enough SF catches. Since 4kds come about every 400+ hands I would
guess that they should come up close to the right numbers in 20,000
plays. However, Bonus would affect the 4kd numbers more than JOB.
But, Bonus was not played so much. I figure 6500 plays at $2 and
13000 plays at $1.

In this case, using 3% as a loss rate, while waiting for royal and
SFs would be about $3900. Ok so far? I have accounted for a large
part of variance by allowing for the two large hands; no catches of
SF and ROY. Of course the 4kds amount to more than 4% but they come
around often compared to roy and sf. So they are not being tracked.

Using the info above how likely is it to lose $8600 in a $130,000
played? How likely would it be to happen 2 or 3 times? I just wonder
if an over 6% loss is that common. We can even allow a couple tenths
loss due to error. These figures are not really complete, but I
think they give a good picture.

Cheers...Jeep
.

Using DRA-VP, I get $86,500 and $129,750 for the 1% and 0.1%

levels

of RoR for that game (rounded up to the nearest $50). Note,
however, that if you tip $100 for an RF and $20 for quad deuces,
your bankroll requirements would rise to $133,550 and $200,300 for
those same levels of RoR.

There is no simple way to convert longterm bankroll figs to a
weekend bankroll requirement without using specialized software

like

VPFW or DRA-VP. For example, using DRA-VP and assuming 20 hours

of

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.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" <h_dunbar@...> wrote:

play at 400 hands/hr, I get that a $4000 "weekend" bankroll would
result in a 0.4% chance of ruin (for the $1 NSUD game with 0.6%
cashback described above). So, you don't need to bring the entire
$100K or so longterm bankroll for a weekend of play!

--Dunbar