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Promotional Posts (was: Home Base Casino?)

In a message dated 1/22/2005 10:22:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@Cox.net writes:

In reference to Jaimie's "Shoot me a note if you're interested in
learning more" comment: I've been trying, unsuccessfully, for some
time to find out some specifics on who qualifies for ValetNoir's
services, and why VN might be better than an in-house host. A
post that provides some details would be of interest to me, and
probably others also.

This is an example of a "freelance" casino host. I don't know the specifics
of ValetNoir, but, in general, this applies to all hosts of this type:

He is not on the payroll of any casino. Instead, he advertises to
prospective high rollers, and then places them at casinos (arranges for comped suites,
gourmet meals, limos, airfare, etc.) with which he has established a
relationship, based upon the high roller's needs. He receives a "commission" from
those casinos, calculated by one of the following:

1) A percentage of the high roller's coin-in (if a machine player)
2) A percentage of the high roller's theoretical loss (applies to both table
players and machine players
3) A percentage of the high roller's actual loss

Since the independent host is not tied to just one property, he might
conceivably be able to offer the high roller a better deal based upon his play and
needs than an in-house host, who can only offer what their particular
property offers. For example, if the high roller likes comped spa services, Bellagio
would normally not be able to offer this (Bellagio doesn't own their spa,
thus it would be a "hard comp," only available to REALLY big players), but the
Venetian would.

The downside to using the freelance host is, once the high roller is checked
in at the selected property, he almost always must use an in-house host to
take care of any special needs. This can create resentment on the part of the
in-house host(s), as the player is not "coded" to them--therefore they do not
receive any credit for the high roller's play. In-house hosts do not like
freelance hosts, and are not happy when their property does business with them!

My advice is, use the phone and speak to casino hosts at several properties.
Ask what they can and cannot comp, based upon your play level. If your play
level is high enough, you will eventually find the "perfect" property for you
to stay and play at. Independent hosts might be able to do the same thing,
but cannot help you as much as an on-property host will be able to once you
actually arrive.

Brian

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If you want to learn more about free-lance hosts, "Whale Hunt in the Desert," by Deke Castleman is the fascinating story about "The Secret Las Vegas of Superhost Steve Cyr." Steve used to be a regular host at several Vegas properties, i.e., Hilton, Hard Rock, but now he is a free-lancer. When you read of some of his activities, you will see why other hosts don't like him!!!!

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Wasn't this Steve Cyr featured on one of the Travel channel shows
saying "I want losers baby" and " You're not really a host until you
beat a guy out of $1,000,000" I'm sure the casino's were glad to hear
him say that on cable TV!...I guess we know why no casino wants him

If you want to learn more about free-lance hosts, "Whale Hunt in

the

Desert," by Deke Castleman is the fascinating story about "The

Secret Las

Vegas of Superhost Steve Cyr." Steve used to be a regular host at

several

Vegas properties, i.e., Hilton, Hard Rock, but now he is a free-

lancer.

When you read of some of his activities, you will see why other

hosts don't

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on their payroll and why he is an "independent host" Other hosts don't like him because he is an idiot and gives all hosts a bad name. --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:

like him!!!!
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards and for the
  Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
   need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."

You saw that too. I couldn't believe he basically just called every one of
his gambler clients an idiot and that he reveled in their losses right on
national television. You think maybe whales don't watch Travel Channel? :wink:

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From: jaydavidson118 [mailto:jaydavidson…@…com]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:26 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Promotional Posts (was: Home Base Casino?)

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Wasn't this Steve Cyr featured on one of the Travel channel shows
saying "I want losers baby" and " You're not really a host until you
beat a guy out of $1,000,000" I'm sure the casino's were glad to hear
him say that on cable TV!...I guess we know why no casino wants him
on their payroll and why he is an "independent host"

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