Hey everyone I love playing progressives on video poker!
I was wondering what all your favorites are?
I would have to say that I love the triple play progressives at Orleans the best.
I have to admit that this is where I've hit the most royals also and this definitely sways my opinion!
Just curious.
Chris
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I'm fickle. I change my opinion all the time because my favorite, generally, is whichever one has the biggest edge. But, of course, I always take variance into consideration. I might play one with a slightly lower hourly rate if the varance is lower. I won't even consider playing one that doesn't have an edge.
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I'm curious why Bob Dancer does not play progressives. Although I have never asked him, I have seen him say that he does not. If he gave a reason, I either don't remember what it was or did not see it. Does anyone know why he does not?
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I'm fickle. I change my opinion all the time because my favorite, generally, is whichever one has the biggest edge. But, of course, I always take variance into consideration. I might play one with a slightly lower hourly rate if the varance is lower. I won't even consider playing one that doesn't have an edge.
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I assume for the same reason I normally don't. I don't play in a team and when a progressive gets in the money most times a group descends on it.
So waiting for an open machine if it ever comes is lost time where someone might hit and if you get a seat playing against a crew where the person next to you starts yammering on their cell or smoking in your face while everyone else gets rotated to stay fresh is a bit of a downer.
A good play to me is one that is not swarmed.
That said I believe he does play progressives, just not the same ones you or I look at.
Rich
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Bobbartop, I don't recall ever seeing much opportunity in progressives for a player with Bob Dancer bankroll and betting level. But if my brain is not tricking me I recall Dancer writing about a two-machine bartop bank of $5 8/5 Bonus Poker that was progressive at Sam's Town some years ago. And he would play it when the number got good enough. He could lock up both machines.
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One more thing. If Dancer is/does/has played progressives he has an incentive not to write about them. He would be giving away too much information to other pros of his caliber and could get knocked out of plays.
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If I'm remembering correctly, Dancer and Kneeland promoted those special GWAE progressives they set up at South Point, which of course didn't last long because they had an overlay at reset, which means the casino isn't going to be making money. In order for any progressive to last it of course has to have some edge for the casino.
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My recollection is that they were at the M Resort and were originally
something like 96% at reset and then they lowered them even further to
~94%.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
If I'm remembering correctly, Dancer and Kneeland promoted those
special GWAE progressives they set up at South Point, which of course
didn't last long because they had an overlay at reset, which means the
casino isn't going to be making money. In order for any progressive to
last it of course has to have some edge for the casino.
I think that was mostly Frank's doing. And yes, it was doomed from the start. I think M Resort was even giving 3X points to some people. I was thinking it would have been better with slightly higher games and not quite that high meter, games in the 97% range, perhaps a 2% meter, or 1-1/2. It was interesting, though.
I miss Frank. I think Munchkin is a GREAT co-host, but I do miss Frank. He was colorful.
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If I'm remembering correctly, Dancer and Kneeland promoted those special GWAE progressives they set up at South Point, which of course didn't last long because they had an overlay at reset, which means the casino isn't going to be making money. In order for any progressive to last it of course has to have some edge for the casino.
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Peter M wrote: "My recollection is that they were at the M Resort and were originally
something like 96% at reset and then they lowered them even further to
~94%."
Plus the meter rates.
Unless the casino changes the bet size, say from $1.25 to $1.30 or whatever, the meter rate comes out of the casino hold. For a casino to stay in business the meter rate has to come out of the base return, leaving the hold the same. And meter rates have to be at least a percent to have a meaningful progression. Quarter percent progressions and less aren't really meaningful progressives. There are plenty of those around and, surprise, they get very little play.
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I talked to Frank Kneeland about the FranknBob bartop progressives at the M Resort. He said the games were set up to have a !00% theoretical. That is, 96% with 4% meters. He said he advised them that they would make about .5% profit on the games due to mistakes. It was new management that came in and stripped it out in one fell swoop.
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old Dancer article on the progressives:
Anthony Curtis' Las Vegas Advisor http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2011/0510.cfm?print
Anthony Curtis' Las Vegas Advisor http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2011/0510.cfm?print 05/10/2011 A Different Type of Progressive at the M Frank Kneeland, my co-host on my "Gambling with an Edge" radio show on Thursday evenings, primarily plays video poker progressives.
View on www.lasvegasadvisor.com http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2011/0510.cfm?print
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OK what happened? Took too long to get interesting? Same people hit all the time?
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My memory is rusty, but they did not disappear in one swoop without first being adjusted. They either lowered the pay tables, or excluded them from mailers or multipliers, or all of the above. And THEN they dumped them. True, they did not get a fair test and the casino threw in the towel too soon. By my view anyway, I'm sure not by the management that did the towel throwing.
There is only one reasonable solution. Bob Dancer and Frank Kneeland need to buy their OWN casino. Is the Mirage up for grabs or not?
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I talked to Frank Kneeland about the FranknBob bartop progressives at the M Resort. He said the games were set up to have a !00% theoretical. That is, 96% with 4% meters. He said he advised them that they would make about .5% profit on the games due to mistakes. It was new management that came in and stripped it out in one fell swoop.
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That is a bit of a fuss for .5 on mistakes. You might as well put in 90/9/6 JoB or some sort of 100% TDB variant and not have to W-2 a quarter player.
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Well AC may still have the two special small licenses available. They are open for properties under 500 beds and are meant to be temporary but in today's climate they might be fairly safe. Not that AC is the best bet now.
The Baymont Inn is probably available.
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Bob and Frank could have bought the whole town of Searchlight for a song a couple years ago. They're apparently not very shrewd businessmen.
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Well AC may still have the two special small licenses available. They are open for properties under 500 beds and are meant to be temporary but in today's climate they might be fairly safe. Not that AC is the best bet now.
The Baymont Inn is probably available.
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Yeah, bobbartop, it was probably the cuts that turned the place into a ghost town so they just gave up and pulled the plug on the whole thing.
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