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Progressives that don't move?

#1

I play a lot very early in the morning, and have sometimes noticed when
I'm playing a progressive on a bank of machines (and I'm all alone)
sometimes the machine I'm playing on doesn't ever move the meter.
(Something fairly difficult to notice if you're not the only player)

On two different occasions I notified the slot personel and in one case
they came and worked on the machine, and on another they said "uh huh"
and as far as I could tell never bothered to do anything about it.

Is there any specific legal requirement that the machine actually moves
the meter?

Thanks

#2

Are you playing on a nickel, quarter or dollar machine? For instance on a very slow meter like $100 coin in = 1 cent, you'd hardly notice a swing being the only nickel player. Not sure if there are legal requirements such as minimum rate, but I do know jackpot caps are common place.
regards...Tom

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I play a lot very early in the morning, and have sometimes noticed when
I'm playing a progressive on a bank of machines (and I'm all alone)
sometimes the machine I'm playing on doesn't ever move the meter.
(Something fairly difficult to notice if you're not the only player)

#3

Ive seen banks of progressives where one particular machine neither
adds to or resets the progressive when hit. Not sure why, but I know
one machine in particular that has been like that since the bank
opened. No one seems to care.

Are you playing on a nickel, quarter or dollar machine? For

instance on a

very slow meter like $100 coin in = 1 cent, you'd hardly notice a swing
being the only nickel player. Not sure if there are legal

requirements such

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as minimum rate, but I do know jackpot caps are common place.
regards...Tom

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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:06 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [vpFREE] Progressives that don't move?

>I play a lot very early in the morning, and have sometimes noticed when
> I'm playing a progressive on a bank of machines (and I'm all alone)
> sometimes the machine I'm playing on doesn't ever move the meter.
> (Something fairly difficult to notice if you're not the only player)
>

#4

Quarters both times, but the reason I knew they weren't responding is I
ended up getting up to play another machine at the bank which did start
moving the meters. So, I was just wondering.

To me it seemed like a way to skim more money for the casino, if some
of the machines aren't contributing to the overall total, when the
player thinks he/she's contributing to that total. So, that's why I
was wondering about the legality. I'm sure you get paid the
progressive if you hit it on the particular machine, it was just
bugging me to notice it happening.

Are you playing on a nickel, quarter or dollar machine? For instance

on a

very slow meter like $100 coin in = 1 cent, you'd hardly notice a

swing

being the only nickel player. Not sure if there are legal

requirements such

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:

as minimum rate, but I do know jackpot caps are common place.
regards...Tom

#5

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "theprostitutionstate"
<theprostitutionstate@...> wrote:

To me it seemed like a way to skim more money for the casino, if some
of the machines aren't contributing to the overall total, when the
player thinks he/she's contributing to that total. So, that's why I
was wondering about the legality. I'm sure you get paid the
progressive if you hit it on the particular machine, it was just
bugging me to notice it happening.

This has been a problem with the $1 Double Bonus Progressives at the
Palms in the past. It is probably a result of the slot mechanics having
too many distractions in the workplace! In any event, there appears to
be a setting option on IGT machines that allows them to be connected to
a group progressive meter but not contribute to nor deduct from the
meter. In other words if you hit the jackpots on such a machine, the
meter will not reset either so it is a wash. In the past, knowledgable
players would try to play more on these machines when the jackpots were
high so as not to reduce the EV of the bank after a hit.

#6

"In the past, knowledgable
players would try to play more on these machines when the jackpots were
high so as not to reduce the EV of the bank after a hit."

I have a question about the above comment - I just returned from a resort where the jackpots were unbelievably high at this one bank of machines. The machines were the newer ones that include slot games, keno, blackjack and video poker. The denominations of the video poker availability ranged from .10 - $1.00 (and everything inbetween!)
The dollar jackpots were approximately as follows, and they were the same way when I was there a couple of weeks before this:

9/6 JOB - $9,000.00
9/6 DDB - $5,000.00 and the aces with kicker was at $4,400.00 when I left
9/6 DB - $12,200.00
Joker Wild - $12,500.00
9/6 Deluxe Double Bonus - $10,200.00
Deuces Wild - $8,000.00

My question is this: all denominations of these games appeared to be on the same "chip" - if you checked each game they were displaying the same cards/hands. Wouldn't this account for why the royals were so high? If someone hit a royal playing one dime, wouldn't it affect the odds of it hitting again on that game at any other denomination?
I have to say, I've never seen anything like it. There were quite a few locals playing at this bank and I spoke with one gentleman who was familiar with this group and asked that I not give the name of the resort, as he was worried about teams in town taking over - and this seems within the boundaries of what is required regarding reporting what is available.
So although people are pouring money into these machines trying to hit the royal, aren't the odds rather more compromised than they would be if their was only the one denomination on each game?

Valerie

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