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Progressive VP Enhancement?

#1

I was looking at the US Patent Office files today and came across a
patent to display the return of a progressive slot game, as an
incentive to increase play as the return increases. The return would
be calculated internally by the slot and displayed to players.

It seems to me the same idea could be applied to progressive VP games.
The machine would have its own built-in Winpoker or FrugalVP software
that would automatically calculate the return as the progressive
jackpot or jackpots increase, and this would be displayed to attract
players who otherwise would probably have no idea what the return is.

#2

brumar_lv wrote:

I was looking at the US Patent Office files today and came across a
patent to display the return of a progressive slot game, as an
incentive to increase play as the return increases. The return
would be calculated internally by the slot and displayed to players.

It seems to me the same idea could be applied to progressive VP
games.
The machine would have its own built-in Winpoker or FrugalVP
software that would automatically calculate the return as the
progressive jackpot or jackpots increase, and this would be
displayed to attract players who otherwise would probably have no
idea what the return is.

I see issues with stated vp returns where any quoted number assumes a
given play strategy unlikely to be accurately employed by most players.

Concerning slots, does the display only kick in once the ER achieves a
minimum threshold (such as 99%)? I'd love to see a casino blare a 95%
ER across a bank!

- H.

#3

brumar_lv wrote:
> I was looking at the US Patent Office files today and came across a
> patent to display the return of a progressive slot game, as an
> incentive to increase play as the return increases. The return
> would be calculated internally by the slot and displayed to players.
>
> It seems to me the same idea could be applied to progressive VP
> games.
> The machine would have its own built-in Winpoker or FrugalVP
> software that would automatically calculate the return as the
> progressive jackpot or jackpots increase, and this would be
> displayed to attract players who otherwise would probably have no
> idea what the return is.

I see issues with stated vp returns where any quoted number assumes a
given play strategy unlikely to be accurately employed by most players.

It's been done, though not on a progressive, yet. Generally the fine
print says something like "with perfect play". Also, the sign applies
to the bank, often not all machines are "full pay", obviously not all
games are, it is up to the user to find the game being advertised as
over 100% or whatever. And of course casinos are generally slow in
taking the sign down after the games are downgraded. I think it's a
great idea for progressives, people know when the lottery is positive,
why not casino progressives? (of course many are seldom or never
positive).

Concerning slots, does the display only kick in once the ER achieves a
minimum threshold (such as 99%)? I'd love to see a casino blare a 95%
ER across a bank!

You've never seen these? I know I've seen 97% on reel slots. I think
I've seen 99%. Some casinos will put a sign up: "this is the number
one paying slot at lucky dog casino ...", if you bribe a key person
they might tell you which machines have the best coin out for coin in.
You can also check the coin in and coin out meters, just be discrete,
people have been 86'd for doing it. At some states, the coin in and
coin out might be a public record, again discretion is advised. And
you didn't hear any of this from me, I'm just saying it might happen.

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- H.

#4

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:

It's been done, though not on a progressive, yet. Generally the fine
print says something like "with perfect play". Also, the sign

applies

to the bank, often not all machines are "full pay", obviously not

all

games are, it is up to the user to find the game being advertised as
over 100% or whatever.

Yes, the idea would not work for "multigame" banks of VP games with a
RF progressive.

I think it's a

great idea for progressives, people know when the lottery is

positive,

why not casino progressives? (of course many are seldom or never
positive).

It's pretty difficult to determine the exact EV when there are
multiple progressives (the $1 progressive at the Rampart for
example), even though there are some fairly simple methods of making
an estimate. If there is a lot of EV associated with a quad hand
I assume that is a better playing opportunity than a high EV
associated with the RF, although it may not last long.

You can also check the coin in and coin out meters, just be

discrete,

people have been 86'd for doing it.

What meters are you referring to? Are you referring to trying to
estimate the EV of a slot?

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#5

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:

I just thought of another "angle" on this. Suppose FrugalVP or
Winpoker were installed. Then, when a particularly difficult hand is
dealt (eg. with penalty cards or whatever), for a small fee the player
can ask the machine to make the decision as to the correct discard(s),
which it would do with absolute accuracy. On a quarter game, for
example, the fee might be 25 cents.

Might this be a potential new market for FrugalVP and/or Winpoker?

OK OK I belong in a looney bin!