I was at an undisclosed location in town and the
progressive meter kept running but there wasn't
anybody playing on the bank. Any ideas why this is?
It was a local jackpot so it wasn't a multi-property
deal
Let me know what you think might be causing this.
Bill
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Occasionally progressive meters will be fed from more than one location at a
property.... for example two or more separate bars (bartops) feeding the
same meter.
Chandler
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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Progressive Meters
I was at an undisclosed location in town and the
progressive meter kept running but there wasn't
anybody playing on the bank. Any ideas why this is?
It was a local jackpot so it wasn't a multi-property
deal
Let me know what you think might be causing this.
Bill
Palms Moderator
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Chandler,
I know the property really well and there aren't any
other machines tied to it. I have scoured the
property and there aren't any bars tied to it. When
it hit recently, it was almost $200 behind what it
paid but it went back to the correct reset and kept on
going.
--- Chandler <chandler_re@comcast.net> wrote:
Occasionally progressive meters will be fed from
more than one location at a
property.... for example two or more separate bars
(bartops) feeding the
same meter.Chandler
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Subject: [vpFREE] Progressive MetersI was at an undisclosed location in town and the
progressive meter kept running but there wasn't
anybody playing on the bank. Any ideas why this
is?
It was a local jackpot so it wasn't a
multi-property
dealLet me know what you think might be causing this.
Bill
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What is the payscale, denom, etc? You might have a strong play.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
Chandler,
I know the property really well and there aren't any
other machines tied to it. I have scoured the
property and there aren't any bars tied to it. When
it hit recently, it was almost $200 behind what it
paid but it went back to the correct reset and kept on
going.
It is a strong play, I was just wondering what was
causing it. As I said, it is in Vegas so the fleas
can hunt it out - just don't kill it on me 
--- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...>
wrote:
>
> Chandler,
>
> I know the property really well and there aren't
any
> other machines tied to it. I have scoured the
> property and there aren't any bars tied to it.
When
> it hit recently, it was almost $200 behind what it
> paid but it went back to the correct reset and
kept on
> going.
>
>
>What is the payscale, denom, etc? You might have a
strong play.
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It is a strong play, I was just wondering what was
causing it. As I said, it is in Vegas so the fleas
can hunt it out - just don't kill it on me
Release the hounds;-)
> > I know the property really well and there aren't
> any
> > other machines tied to it. I have scoured the
> > property and there aren't any bars tied to it.
> When
> > it hit recently, it was almost $200 behind what it
> > paid but it went back to the correct reset and
> kept on
> > going.
It paid $200 more than the meter showed?
Chandler
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
I have often seen this on progressives with a big display above the bank of
machines. It will often lag the meter on the machine itself. If the markee
catches up to the real meter it will sometimes reset to a lower level and
start counting up again. This is obvioulsy a marketing ploy to show activity
and the "value" of the progressive going up. The machine keeps an accurate
count in my experience regardless of the markee.
If a player is walking by and the markee is sitting still; how attractive is
that?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:05 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Progressive Meters
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
It is a strong play, I was just wondering what was
causing it. As I said, it is in Vegas so the fleas
can hunt it out - just don't kill it on me
Release the hounds;-)
> > I know the property really well and there aren't
> any
> > other machines tied to it. I have scoured the
> > property and there aren't any bars tied to it.
> When
> > it hit recently, it was almost $200 behind what it
> > paid but it went back to the correct reset and
> kept on
> > going.
It paid $200 more than the meter showed?
Chandler
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Tony,
Both the overhead and machine meters seem to be
lagging. The machine meter sometimes gets to a point
and stops but the overhead one is almost always
scrolling. I haven't seen it get to a point and then
go to a lower number and start scrolling again.
How much do progressive meters usually get per dollar
of coin in?
Bill
--- Tony Dubnik <tdubnik@alltel.net> wrote:
I have often seen this on progressives with a big
display above the bank of
machines. It will often lag the meter on the machine
itself. If the markee
catches up to the real meter it will sometimes reset
to a lower level and
start counting up again. This is obvioulsy a
marketing ploy to show activity
and the "value" of the progressive going up. The
machine keeps an accurate
count in my experience regardless of the markee.If a player is walking by and the markee is sitting
still; how attractive is
that?-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:05 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Progressive Meters--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...>
wrote:
>
> It is a strong play, I was just wondering what was
> causing it. As I said, it is in Vegas so the
fleas
> can hunt it out - just don't kill it on meRelease the hounds;-)
> > > I know the property really well and there
aren't
> > any
> > > other machines tied to it. I have scoured the
> > > property and there aren't any bars tied to it.
> > When
> > > it hit recently, it was almost $200 behind
what it
> > > paid but it went back to the correct reset and
> > kept on
> > > going.It paid $200 more than the meter showed?
Chandler
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It varies. If you can ever get on the prog when the meter has
stopped, get on a machine and see how much coin in is required before
it advances again. You can calculate the meter rate pretty easily.
Chandler
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
How much do progressive meters usually get per dollar
of coin in?
This is usually true, but not always. Harvey's, years ago, had some
Jacks or Better banks with progressives on the Royal Flush, Straight
Flush, and 4 of a Kind. The progression on the Royal Flush was 1 %
and the progression on the 4 of a Kind was 2 %, which were both fairly
simple to identify, but the exact progression on the Straight Flush
was initially somewhat of a mystery. It was approximately 1 and 1/3
%, but not quite. It seemed to be about 1.31 %. It took a while to
figure out the exact rate. It was 1 and 1/3 % except that it "skipped
a beat" regularly, which brought it down to exactly 1 and 9/29 %.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
How much do progressive meters usually get per dollar
of coin in?It varies. If you can ever get on the prog when the meter has
stopped, get on a machine and see how much coin in is required before
it advances again. You can calculate the meter rate pretty easily.Chandler
>>
>> How much do progressive meters usually get per dollar
>> of coin in?
>
>It varies. If you can ever get on the prog when the meter has
>stopped, get on a machine and see how much coin in is required
before
>it advances again. You can calculate the meter rate pretty easily.
>
>ChandlerThis is usually true, but not always. Harvey's, years ago, had some
Jacks or Better banks with progressives on the Royal Flush, Straight
Flush, and 4 of a Kind. The progression on the Royal Flush was 1 %
and the progression on the 4 of a Kind was 2 %, which were both
fairly
simple to identify, but the exact progression on the Straight Flush
was initially somewhat of a mystery. It was approximately 1 and 1/3
%, but not quite. It seemed to be about 1.31 %. It took a while to
figure out the exact rate. It was 1 and 1/3 % except that
it "skipped
a beat" regularly, which brought it down to exactly 1 and 9/29 %.
Wow, Tom, you know that progressive. It was $1 6/5 Jacks at the
Players Bar. My general strategy was to play it when I caught the
Quad meter at double the preset of $125. Then there were other
considerations for the SF and Royal.
That was back in the late 90's and the poker room was right next to
the Player's Bar. Friday and Saturday nights we had a 10-20 holdem
game. The players were a mix of local hustlers and recreational
players. Of course, we were all eyeballin' the progressive meters on
the wall of the bar. The poker game got shut down more than one time
becase we all bolted to the bar when a meter got right.
The race was on. You had to buy racks of tokes and hand feed, but
the machines held credits. You had to be fast or you would get left
behind. Then their was the work of cashing out and racking up the
tokes when the race was over. Then we would crank the poker game
back up.
The $1 6/5 Bonus Poker up front at the Mountain Bar was the better
play. It had meters on Quad Aces, Small Quads, Generic Quads, all
running at 1% each. I had lots of fun racing for the quads on those
bartops. It was the same as Player's Bar. You had to buy racks of
tokes. My biggest score on dollar quads was $2400 Quad Aces. But it
wasn't even close to the record of $3600.
Machine Hustler's prayer: "Dear Lord, if you will please send us one
more video poker boom we promise not to blow the money this time."
Those were the good old days, indeed. Good luck.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <madameguyon@...> wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@> wrote:
Bill,
I have personally seen meter movement anywhere from about .1% to over 2%.
It's easy to measure if you play during a quiet time on the progressive.
Just note the meter(s) value, play through $100 and then read the meters
again. This will tell you how much the meters move per $100. Take the
difference between the starting and ending value of the meter and divide
by 1 to get the percentage move.
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Wild Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:41 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Progressive Meters
Tony,
Both the overhead and machine meters seem to be
lagging. The machine meter sometimes gets to a point
and stops but the overhead one is almost always
scrolling. I haven't seen it get to a point and then
go to a lower number and start scrolling again.
How much do progressive meters usually get per dollar
of coin in?
Bill
mickeycrimm wrote:
The $1 6/5 Bonus Poker up front at the Mountain Bar was the better
play. It had meters on Quad Aces, Small Quads, Generic Quads, all
running at 1% each. I had lots of fun racing for the quads on those
bartops. It was the same as Player's Bar. You had to buy racks of
tokes. My biggest score on dollar quads was $2400 Quad Aces. But it
wasn't even close to the record of $3600.
The bank I was referring to (at Harvey's) was put in in 1986. I
believe it was at the Mountain Bar. Isn't that the one in the extreme
northeast part of the casino, right by the entrance that goes out to
the Sahara/High Sierra/Horizon? I may be fusing two different plays
together, but the machines were malfunctioning on one play. I hit a
royal for something like $4100 or $4400, something like 143 credits
racked up on my machine, and the lights came on to signify that the
game was over and I could play again. After that was taken care of,
they shut all the machines down, as they ended up doing several times.
Although I believe it was over $500, I can't remember what the 4 of a
kind was at the time, but it ended up getting hit for around $670,
which I believe was the all time record for the bank, not long after
the machines were put back in order the next morning. I once hit a
straight flush for around $3500, throwing away 4 to a flush, and was
there when it was hit for more than $4000, which, as far as I know,
was its record.
Machine Hustler's prayer: "Dear Lord, if you will please send us one
more video poker boom we promise not to blow the money this time."
I can sure identify with that. All successful people face the
drawback of being forced into the role of money manager, for which
they are often EXTREMELY unprepared. I heard that Mike Tyson is broke
and that Bjorn Borg went through tens of millions of dollars shortly
after he retired.
Obviously you have caught on to the trick George uses at your very
own casino, the Palms, on the $1 full pay progressive Double Bonus
bank. Allegedly, George "Aloof" Maaloof refers to this meter as
his "Cocktail Waitress Silicon Enhancement Fund". All meter
proceedes go directly to George's office where he slowly releases any
surplusses depending upon how much...well enhancement is needed.
If you watch the quarter full pay progressive Deuces Wild meter
closely, you will notice the same phenomena. This is the "Gaming
Control Board Playboy Club Lap Dance Fund" in case the former meter
is discovered. George knows the fleas would never tattle for fear of
immediate trespass, or if that fails, a line pass to the buffet.
Hopefully this post will pass the standards of the humor police from
both the red and blue states.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
I was at an undisclosed location in town and the
progressive meter kept running but there wasn't
anybody playing on the bank. Any ideas why this is?
It was a local jackpot so it wasn't a multi-property
dealLet me know what you think might be causing this.
Bill
Palms Moderator
Is a 1% meter fast? What rate does a "normal" meter
add to a progressive?
Bill
--- Tom Robertson <madameguyon@embarqmail.com> wrote:
mickeycrimm wrote:
>The $1 6/5 Bonus Poker up front at the Mountain Bar
was the better
>play. It had meters on Quad Aces, Small Quads,
Generic Quads, all
>running at 1% each. I had lots of fun racing for
the quads on those
>bartops. It was the same as Player's Bar. You had
to buy racks of
>tokes. My biggest score on dollar quads was $2400
Quad Aces. But it
>wasn't even close to the record of $3600.The bank I was referring to (at Harvey's) was put in
in 1986. I
believe it was at the Mountain Bar. Isn't that the
one in the extreme
northeast part of the casino, right by the entrance
that goes out to
the Sahara/High Sierra/Horizon? I may be fusing two
different plays
together, but the machines were malfunctioning on
one play. I hit a
royal for something like $4100 or $4400, something
like 143 credits
racked up on my machine, and the lights came on to
signify that the
game was over and I could play again. After that
was taken care of,
they shut all the machines down, as they ended up
doing several times.
Although I believe it was over $500, I can't
remember what the 4 of a
kind was at the time, but it ended up getting hit
for around $670,
which I believe was the all time record for the
bank, not long after
the machines were put back in order the next
morning. I once hit a
straight flush for around $3500, throwing away 4 to
a flush, and was
there when it was hit for more than $4000, which, as
far as I know,
was its record.>Machine Hustler's prayer: "Dear Lord, if you will
please send us one
>more video poker boom we promise not to blow the
money this time."I can sure identify with that. All successful
people face the
drawback of being forced into the role of money
manager, for which
they are often EXTREMELY unprepared. I heard that
Mike Tyson is broke
and that Bjorn Borg went through tens of millions of
dollars shortly
after he retired.
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If I knew what the payscale was I could take a good guess as to how
strong the meter is. Knowing that the royal will pay higher than what
the marquee says is a bit of handy information for when you jump into
the game. But if it payed $200 more than what the marquee said that
would be a HELLUVALAG on dollars and ONEHELLLLLUVALAG on quarters. You
may not be able to ever time the meters.
How many cents per minute is the meter going up when the bank is not
getting any action? And does the meter speed up when the bank is
getting action? What denom is is it? What is the payscale?
Does the game frequently go positive? If it does then just figure out
where you want to jump in at. Knowing the meter movement is not so
important as knowing when (combination of payscale and meter) the game
goes positive.
I've never seen it before but having a delayed action meter is a cute
little trick.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
Tony,
Both the overhead and machine meters seem to be
lagging. The machine meter sometimes gets to a point
and stops but the overhead one is almost always
scrolling. I haven't seen it get to a point and then
go to a lower number and start scrolling again.How much do progressive meters usually get per dollar
of coin in?
Couldn't tell you what "normal" is, but a 1% meter is pretty fast. A
1% meter on a full pay game makes a pretty strong play fairly
frequently. I once had fun playing an 8/5 BP bartop w/1% feed. It
went positive often and sometimes went very positive. Mickey's
description of 6/5 bonus with 3 1% meters also sounds juicy. The
poorer the pay table the more that meter is going to need to be fed to
make that game attractive.
Chandler
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
Is a 1% meter fast? What rate does a "normal" meter
add to a progressive?Bill
Hi Chandler,
Though I only played it once, and did not "clock" the meter, the El
Cortez has a .25c 8/5DDB that goes up VERY quickly from the $1250
reset. Every time that I've stayed there I've seen it hit at $1800
to $2500+ more than once, during a 4-5 day visit. The meter is
frequently over $2,000. Somehow though, I just can't get excited
about playing 8/5DDB.
The only time that I did play it, the meter was $3000+. I did not
get the royal. After I returned home I mentioned (in an apologetic
tone) to a pro friend, that I had played this game. I fully expected
to hear back that I was an idiot. Instead, he wrote that the EV was
over 101.5%! I was sorry that I hadn't risked more than the one
Bennie, but I was back home by that time.
~Babe~
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cmayhem2001" <chandler_re@...> wrote:
Couldn't tell you what "normal" is, but a 1% meter is pretty fast.
A
1% meter on a full pay game makes a pretty strong play fairly
frequently......
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:
Hi Chandler,
Though I only played it once, and did not "clock" the meter, the
El
Cortez has a .25c 8/5DDB that goes up VERY quickly from the $1250
reset. Every time that I've stayed there I've seen it hit at
$1800
to $2500+ more than once, during a 4-5 day visit. The meter is
frequently over $2,000. Somehow though, I just can't get excited
about playing 8/5DDB.The only time that I did play it, the meter was $3000+. I did not
get the royal. After I returned home I mentioned (in an apologetic
tone) to a pro friend, that I had played this game. I fully
expected
to hear back that I was an idiot. Instead, he wrote that the EV
was
over 101.5%! I was sorry that I hadn't risked more than the one
Bennie, but I was back home by that time.
~Babe~
$3K royal puts game er at about 101%, so very likely you were
playing at about 101.5% plus whatever bennies the Tez hands out. OK
value for the "ev is everything" crowd, but it looks like a pretty
scary ride. Anyway, we're tourists. We're supposed to do stupid
crap;-)
Chandler
Is a 1% meter fast? What rate does a "normal" meter
add to a progressive?Bill
By now, yes, a 1% meter is better than average. There's still quite
a range. When I first started, there were as high as 30% meters.