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progressive meter error

#1

Before express my opinion, I would first like to state that, in my
opinion, the House is the enemy and anything LEGAL is permissible.

That being said, A counter person gave me $10 too much change and I gave
it back as I did not want her register to be short, so I am talking the
HOUSE and not House employees.

IF you wanted to be COMPLETELY honest, in addition to informing the House
about the meter's failure to reset, you should have given the difference
back.

So you were partially honest.

I would have not said anything and let a few other poor slobs make some
profit and I would not have felt guilty about it.

                                        Bruce Stewart

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#2

Why should the player give anything back? They hit (and were paid) the progressive amount as shown on the machine. If it didn't reset afterwards, that's not the player's fault and IMO ethically wouldn't owe any money back (unless perhaps if they hit the same progressive multiple times before it reset). Even then, I would have a hard time saying they owed any money back.

John

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BCarStew@... wrote:

IF you wanted to be COMPLETELY honest, in addition to informing the House
about the meter's failure to reset, you should have given the difference
back.

#3

I was paid the correct progressive and the 2nd hit was a different
progressive. If someone previous to me hit a progressive then whoever hit it
next whether it was me or someone else would be getting more than the
correct amount but I would not have anyway of knowing this.

Obviously if the game had reset on the first progressive, I would not have
hit the 2nd as I would have quit.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] progressive meter error

Before express my opinion, I would first like to state that, in my
opinion, the House is the enemy and anything LEGAL is permissible.

That being said, A counter person gave me $10 too much change and I gave
it back as I did not want her register to be short, so I am talking the
HOUSE and not House employees.

IF you wanted to be COMPLETELY honest, in addition to informing the House
about the meter's failure to reset, you should have given the difference
back.

So you were partially honest.

I would have not said anything and let a few other poor slobs make some
profit and I would not have felt guilty about it.

Bruce Stewart

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

Before express my opinion, I would first like to state that, in my
opinion, the House is the enemy and anything LEGAL is permissible.

That being said, A counter person gave me $10 too much change and I gave
it back as I did not want her register to be short, so I am talking the
HOUSE and not House employees.

IF you wanted to be COMPLETELY honest, in addition to informing the House
about the meter's failure to reset, you should have given the difference
back.

So you were partially honest.

I would have not said anything and let a few other poor slobs make some
profit and I would not have felt guilty about it.

                                       Bruce Stewart

I've always struggled with things like this. Why is the house the
enemy? Casino owners are human beings with feelings, just as house
employees are. Why would I be justified in keeping $10 that I got by
taking advantage of a casino making a mistake if I wouldn't be
justified in, say, picking up and keeping a $10 bill that a friend had
just dropped? Why aren't casino owners entitled to the same
consideration? Where is the line between the two?

#5

I was paid the correct progressive and the 2nd hit was a different
progressive. If someone previous to me hit a progressive then whoever hit it
next whether it was me or someone else would be getting more than the
correct amount but I would not have anyway of knowing this.

If enough people had played the machine that didn't reset the meter,
whoever hit it next would have gotten less than if it did.

#6

Perhaps we should think of it as a contest and the casino as the opponent - an opponent who makes almost all the rules and varies them day to day. If an opponent makes an error one takes advantage of it. One doesn't offer an opponent a chance to take back a bad chess move.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <madameguyon@...> wrote:

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I've always struggled with things like this. Why is the house the
enemy? Casino owners are human beings with feelings, just as house
employees are. Why would I be justified in keeping $10 that I got by
taking advantage of a casino making a mistake if I wouldn't be
justified in, say, picking up and keeping a $10 bill that a friend had
just dropped? Why aren't casino owners entitled to the same
consideration? Where is the line between the two?