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Positive games

This is MY observation of the term "Positive Games"

As a preface, anything over 100% can be called positive, but, in my
opinion, that is totally fallacious. You cannot make money if you
play at 100.01% unless you are guaranteed to win and then only if you
are betting very big money.

I walked through Boulder Station, advertised as a "locals" casino and
I noted that there were very, very few 8/5 bonus machines. I did not
find any 9/6 job. The bulk of the bonus machines were of the 7/5
variety. 8/5 with absolute perfect play, over an extended period of
time, returns 99.16% leaving a profit margin of 0.84% for the casino.
In view of the fact that most of the bonus machines are 7/5, it is
apparent the 0.84% profit is NOT ENOUGH.

If the casino can't make it at that figure, how can I make it by
playing at less than that figure.

It is true that negative games can become positive because of
promotions or cash back, but will they exceed 0.84%? I doubt it.

Boulder has reduced almost every pay schedule to increase their bottom
line. Should we do less. The Royal court at 8/5 is now 7/5, there
are more db at 9/6 than at 9/7, etc.

If you play for entertainment, if you play for free rooms, or for any
other reason other than pure profit, I feel that a play for less than
101% is almost doomed to failure due to the errors that we all capable
of.

Playing for entertainment is great, if that is what you set out to do
but do not mislead yourself by seeking profit and playing too low.

Well, at least you survived the walk through Boulder Station.
Seriously, didn't Boulder have any Optimum Play machines? I shall
have to look at the database as I haven't been in Boulder in many
months, but I thought all the Station casinos had a few so-called
100% plus machines.

Otherwise, I agree completely. A few days ago, I was scolded for
suggesting that I was skeptical of the concept of a VP pro that
played only 100% plus machines, and actually earned a living from
just their play. It certainly is possible, but there are a lot
easier ways of earning a living, and then using some of that money
for entertainment VP play. Speaking only for myself, I can't
imamgine playing multiple hours of VP, day after day, especially in
some of the local casinos that advertise their 100% machines. Too
much of what I see in the casinos is downright depressing (or maybe
disgusting is a better word).

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro
<elliotts2345@e...> wrote:

This is MY observation of the term "Positive Games"

As a preface, anything over 100% can be called positive, but, in my
opinion, that is totally fallacious. You cannot make money if you
play at 100.01% unless you are guaranteed to win and then only if

you

are betting very big money.

I walked through Boulder Station, advertised as a "locals" casino

and

I noted that there were very, very few 8/5 bonus machines. I did

not

find any 9/6 job. The bulk of the bonus machines were of the 7/5
variety. 8/5 with absolute perfect play, over an extended period

of

time, returns 99.16% leaving a profit margin of 0.84% for the

casino.

In view of the fact that most of the bonus machines are 7/5, it is
apparent the 0.84% profit is NOT ENOUGH.

Boulder has reduced almost every pay schedule to increase their

bottom

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line. Should we do less. The Royal court at 8/5 is now 7/5, there
are more db at 9/6 than at 9/7, etc.

Yes, there are some 100%+ plays. Few in comparion to the bulk of the
mahines.
They cater to the uninformed and take full advantage of the situation.

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:40:26 -0000, you wrote:

Well, at least you survived the walk through Boulder Station.
Seriously, didn't Boulder have any Optimum Play machines? I shall
have to look at the database as I haven't been in Boulder in many
months, but I thought all the Station casinos had a few so-called
100% plus machines.

Otherwise, I agree completely. A few days ago, I was scolded for
suggesting that I was skeptical of the concept of a VP pro that
played only 100% plus machines, and actually earned a living from
just their play. It certainly is possible, but there are a lot
easier ways of earning a living, and then using some of that money
for entertainment VP play. Speaking only for myself, I can't
imamgine playing multiple hours of VP, day after day, especially in
some of the local casinos that advertise their 100% machines. Too
much of what I see in the casinos is downright depressing (or maybe
disgusting is a better word).