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Poor VP aside, why are so many people hostile to Harrah's?

#21

I agree with Babe concerning VP in Vegas.
If your game is blackjack and you like the strip then the south
strip offers overall better blackjack. MGM, Luxor, Mandalay Bay,
Monte Carlo and the Trop all have good shoe games, some at $25 and
up but others at $10 and up. Same kind of games can be found
presently also at Caesars and Wynn but Harrah's will probably kill
the good low limit games at Caesars soon. Wynn, if you can play at
a high min bet, also has perhaps the best double deck game in Vegas.
Downtown is still the place for low rolling good single and double
deck games nearly everywhere except the Nugget has killed their good
single deck.
Victoria

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

-In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>

wrote:

Anyone have any advice for the "likes of us"?

My "better half" and I have been going to LV about 4 times a year

for

about 5 years now. It is hard to ignore that each trip seems to

give

us slightly "slimmer pickings".

We have become much more discriminating and it is still "fun"

(else,

why would we continue going). We leave for the airport in about

an

hour for another "pilgrimidge". <smile>
> bl
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I would make 2 suggestions, bw:

1. Try Reno! I KNOW it's a longer more cumbersome trip to Reno,

than

to LV (as it is from the midwest as well). However, the quality

of

the VP, the attitude of the casino employees, and the

comp/cb/freeplay

opportunties, make it a very worthwhile journey.

2. Go to LV and stay off the strip. Try the North LV, Boulder
Highway or Henderson casinos. They are NOT fancy and do not have
gourmet restaurants which are the calibre of the strip gourmet

rooms.

What they do have is GREAT FP VP, clean and quite adequate (for

me)

accomodations, good, well prepared and inexpensive restaurants and
favorable comp/freeplay.

If I want to eat at a fine restaurant or see great theatre, I can

do

that right at home in Chicago. I don't need to board a plane a

plane

and fly west for almost 4 hours!

When I do go to Nevada it's for only one reason; GOOD VP. All rest

is

secondary fluff. It's just my opinion, of course. If the ambiance

of

an elegant strip hotel is very important to your vacation

enjoyment,

then you should stay where you feel most comfortable.

I hope that many royals pop up on your screen on your current

visit!

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Babe

#22

Yes, this was my point.

Chandler

Victoria Rosado

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 4:49 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Poor VP aside, why are so many people hostile to
Harrah's?

Before Harrah's assimilated the Rio it was a popular casino for
locals. It is not that locals had anything against Harrah's at that
time, it had everything to do with the deterioration of two games in
particular, video poker and blackjack. When you think of Vegas
locals you have to understand that either they work in the
hotel/casino business or have friends and family that do so, which
results in a better ability to compare games and value of comps.
Locals will tend to be low rollers who if you add it up, play quite
a few hours during a year but generally do not concentrate their
play into a few days as a tourist would. Rio to them became sort of
a tourist strip casino off the strip. Palms may go the same way
someday if they continue downgrading their VP.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

Not anymore, but I understand that Rio at one time was more local

oriented

and had better gambling options.

Chandler

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Behalf Of

Victoria Rosado
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:45 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Poor VP aside, why are so many people

hostile to

Harrah's?

Chandler, there are really no locals to be found playing at The

Rio.

You might find some at the show, club, or restaurants but finding

one

at a table or machine is a real rarity.
The nearby Palms and Gold Coast is where they are in that area.
Victoria

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#23

Harry, nice succinct summary and right on about the pervailing
situation in LV. Like it or not, the Harrah's people are smart
about generating profit. Buy their stock but play somewhere else.
Both could be positive plays.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

paladin415x wrote:
> I've yet to see a casino merger which was good for the player.

You expect otherwise. Until players consistently demonstrate that
they expect casinos to be "good" to them, casinos will continue to
cater to the "LCD" -- and did you ever dream that player LCD could

be

SO low? (Of course, I've heard that the Coast casinos, having had
players desert their properties in droves after paytable cuts, has
abandoned development of "South" ... RIGHT!)

Harrah's excels at marketing to the ignorant masses. Their
shareholders are in love with them -- contrast that with Caesars

who

overextended their capital on their star property and has had

subpar

player growth, leaving investors disgruntled and grumpy. While
disappointing, is this acquisition a total surprise to anyone?

Some casinos ebb and flow between extending players the world to

pull

them in the door and then exacting a slash and burn when they're
disatisfied with results. Harrah's has figured out where the

bread is

buttered and knows it can pretty much do without the likes of us.

In reference to the subject line, setting aside the sentiments of

this

and similar groups, step into any Harrah's casino in AC and you

find a

horde of glassy eyed players who are truly enamoured with the

place.

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I keep waiting for the occasional "Stepford Wives" gong.

- Harry