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Playing Short Coin - Dangerous OR Smart?

#1

Do you guys realize that you almost certainly would not have hit the

royal if you had been pressing maxbet or deal instead of stopping to press
betone once or three times. The cards would have been in a different position
as they continuously shuffle until you press deal then continue to shuffle
the remaining 48 till you press draw.<<

Is this true? I thought on most machines the cards were already lined up
behind the draw waiting to fall into place when you had selected your holds
and hit the button.

Karen

The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page. -Saint
Augustine

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#2

Originally vp machines were designed the way you said (5 cards on top and 5 underneath) until one day someone figured out how to beat that system...... then they went to the continuous shuffle.

I don't have it, but I'm sure someone can post the link to the story.

As far as finding one of those old time machines, maybe at the western, or maybe not at all if the Control Board has deemed them unfit to use.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, krallison416@... wrote:

>>Do you guys realize that you almost certainly would not have hit the
royal if you had been pressing maxbet or deal instead of stopping to press
betone once or three times. The cards would have been in a different position
as they continuously shuffle until you press deal then continue to shuffle
the remaining 48 till you press draw.<<

Is this true? I thought on most machines the cards were already lined up
behind the draw waiting to fall into place when you had selected your holds
and hit the button.

Karen

The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page. -Saint
Augustine

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#3

No, that is actually true now. Older machines did operate the way you describe, and even though some 'expert' books may describe it that way, you'll find they were written a number of years ago and not updated. I also misstated in my earlier post about the way the draw happens, sorry if I confused anyone. My point was holding one card over another will cause a difference in timing when you hit the deal button, and hence the cards drawn.

Guru

"Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win." - Lazarus Long

There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. - Robert Heinlein

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is." - Yogi Berra

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Is this true? I thought on most machines the cards were already lined up
behind the draw waiting to fall into place when you had selected your holds
and hit the button.

Karen

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#4
#5

Serial Dealing is not the current method. The RNG continues shuffling even after the deal. Meaning the draw cards are not determined when you first hit the deal button but instead are still being shuffled. Serial Dealing means even the draw cards are determined after you hit the deal button and are dealt in sequence 1 thru 5 then 6-10. As far as short coining, why do that playing VP? That's a cardinal sin and if you like the VIP room treatment playing $5 or $10 VP vs. playing $1 VP out on the floor but don't have the bankroll to keep betting max, just slow down your play, think about each hand and what the correct play is,take your time, the RNG is shuffling the cards, it doesn't care how slow or fast you play, but always, always, play max coins! It's not an option otherwise! :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

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From: <krallison416@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Playing Short Coin - Dangerous OR Smart?
>
> Is this true? I thought on most machines the cards were already lined up
> behind the draw waiting to fall into place when you had selected your
> holds
> and hit the button.
>
> Karen

What you refer to as the "already lined up cards" was known as parallel
dealing and has not been used for probably 15 years or more. I think the
change occurred in the early or mid 90's when the current method, called
serial dealing, was adopted. In essence, when your PRNG stops as you hit
your draw button, the draw cards are displayed one at a time sequentially,
right off the top of the virtual deck, for lack of a better term, just as it
would be in a live game. I'm reasonably sure that in the 8-1/2 years of
vpFREE, this has likely been the subject of a thread 40 or 50 times. If you
are curious for more details, search in messages for serial or sequential
and parallel dealing, you will find additional info..
                                                                 Nudge

#6

--- different twist

i am playing crapy 16/13 deuces wild at the smallest native casino i ever saw, same paytable from .10 thru $

The promo was bet $5 ,casino put another $5 in the machine. I playing dimes, full coin of course , when I hit 4 ducks for a 100.00 second spin.

could not help thinking should have 250 or a grand lol.

M J

oh yea, I do trust IGT machines no matter where,

And the old Sigma machines dealt all 10 cards at the same time stacking 5 on 5 as you describe, older IGT would pick 10 also but put 5 and the rest would be "lined up" and be dealt 1 at a time on the draw, ie: first card in line would be dealt first .

Now the machines keep shuffling the 47 cards left until you decide what you want to keep & hit the draw button.

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