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playing on someone else's card, worst case

#1

i've been very cautious about playing on my girlfriend's card, and
vice versa. however it sounds like lots of people do this and the
casinos don't usually care. so i'm curious.

what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you from playing on
someone else's card?

if the worst case scenario is "staff says hey don't do that again",
then we could save a lot of time - i'm in town and pick up her free
play, she's at a property putting in her monthly play and does mine as
well, etc. i just don't want to encounter Really Bad Stuff, like
having them refuse to pay a royal, or barring us (or denying us future
mailers), or whatever.

(not being eligible for freak-occurrence random drawings, like
dancer's jumbo jackpot, doesn't really concern me.)

cheers,

five

#2

I'd be shocked if they tried to withold payment of a jackpot b/c the
wrong card was in the machine, and legally they wouldn't have a leg
to stand on.

Could they potentially take away pts/cashback earned, future offers,
or even revoke your slot club membership altogether?
Yes I believe that they would be within their rights. Especially
since somewhere in the rules it usually says that playing on
anothers card is prohibited.

Realistically though: if someone notices
(slot attend, manag etc etc) and you sense it may become an issue
just play it off as if you had both in your wallet and happened to
take out the wrong one.

i've been very cautious about playing on my girlfriend's card, and
vice versa. however it sounds like lots of people do this and the
casinos don't usually care. so i'm curious.

what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you from playing on
someone else's card?

if the worst case scenario is "staff says hey don't do that again",
then we could save a lot of time - i'm in town and pick up her free
play, she's at a property putting in her monthly play and does mine

as

well, etc. i just don't want to encounter Really Bad Stuff, like
having them refuse to pay a royal, or barring us (or denying us

future

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

mailers), or whatever.

(not being eligible for freak-occurrence random drawings, like
dancer's jumbo jackpot, doesn't really concern me.)

cheers,

five

#3

fivespot wrote:

what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you from playing on
someone else's card?

For my wife, being "0" tripped when she hit a jackpot on my card.
They not only issued the w-2G in her name (as would be expected), but
manually recorded the win against her account (evidenced when she
started receiving nominal mailers from the casino, despite having no
other recorded activity there).

- H.

#4

My friend and I do this all the time. Since she usually plays single line
.25, we don't have to worry about hand pays. It works great for us, since
she stays downtown with her husband when we are in vegas.

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On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:21 PM, fivespot <fivespot55@gmail.com> wrote:

  i've been very cautious about playing on my girlfriend's card, and
vice versa. however it sounds like lots of people do this and the
casinos don't usually care. so i'm curious.

what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you from playing on
someone else's card?

if the worst case scenario is "staff says hey don't do that again",
then we could save a lot of time - i'm in town and pick up her free
play, she's at a property putting in her monthly play and does mine as
well, etc. i just don't want to encounter Really Bad Stuff, like
having them refuse to pay a royal, or barring us (or denying us future
mailers), or whatever.

(not being eligible for freak-occurrence random drawings, like
dancer's jumbo jackpot, doesn't really concern me.)

cheers,

five

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#5

i've been very cautious about playing on my girlfriend's card, and
vice versa. however it sounds like lots of people do this and the
casinos don't usually care. so i'm curious.

Assuming that your girlfriend has a different last name, I would
guess that they are a little less lenient with you playing on her
card than they are with a husband/wife playing on each other's cards.

what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you from playing on
someone else's card?

if the worst case scenario is "staff says hey don't do that again",
then we could save a lot of time - i'm in town and pick up her free
play, she's at a property putting in her monthly play and does mine

as

well, etc. i just don't want to encounter Really Bad Stuff, like
having them refuse to pay a royal, or barring us (or denying us

future

mailers), or whatever.

I highly doubt they could deny paying a royal, but they can certainly
86 you, take away all your points, and discontinue mailers. None of
this is very likely unless you happen to draw a lot of attention to
yourself (and your play on other people's cards), but I know of an
instance where someone was 86'd, had mailers discontinued, and had
all points converted to gift shop credit. But at the same time, I
know of an instance where someone was paid a 95K jackpot contrary to
written rules, lol. So I guess it depends on who you are.

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#6

Nothing really shocks me at casinos anymore, including people getting
shot and not being reported in the press. Legally casinos must now
follow banking regulations and identify customers, a false card is a
false representation of identity and at minimum probably triggers a
SAR (suspicious activity report). They will also probably start
tracking whose cards you're using to check for gang/team activity. Of
course a lot of people use multiple cards for various reasons, but
don't be surprised if somebody somewhere doesn't like that practice.
It helps to know your rights as a citizen, read Nersesian's "Beat the
Player" for details.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@...> wrote:

I'd be shocked if they tried to withold payment of a jackpot b/c the
wrong card was in the machine, and legally they wouldn't have a leg
to stand on.

#7

Do you think it's an indication you might have a serious problem when
someone asks a question about card usage and the very first sentence you
come up with is something about someone being shot at a casino?

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On 8/10/08, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "maclarenv12"
<ahduff@...> wrote:
> I'd be shocked if they tried to withold payment of a jackpot b/c the
> wrong card was in the machine, and legally they wouldn't have a leg
> to stand on.

Nothing really shocks me at casinos anymore, including people getting
shot and not being reported in the press. Legally casinos must now
follow banking regulations and identify customers, a false card is a
false representation of identity and at minimum probably triggers a
SAR (suspicious activity report). They will also probably start
tracking whose cards you're using to check for gang/team activity. Of
course a lot of people use multiple cards for various reasons, but
don't be surprised if somebody somewhere doesn't like that practice.
It helps to know your rights as a citizen, read Nersesian's "Beat the
Player" for details.

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#8

Which shootings weren't reported to the press?

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--- On Sun, 8/10/08, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: playing on someone else's card, worst case
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:22 AM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@...> wrote:

I'd be shocked if they tried to withold payment of a jackpot b/c the
wrong card was in the machine, and legally they wouldn't have a leg
to stand on.

Nothing really shocks me at casinos anymore, including people getting
shot and not being reported in the press. Legally casinos must now
follow banking regulations and identify customers, a false card is a
false representation of identity and at minimum probably triggers a
SAR (suspicious activity report). They will also probably start
tracking whose cards you're using to check for gang/team activity. Of
course a lot of people use multiple cards for various reasons, but
don't be surprised if somebody somewhere doesn't like that practice.
It helps to know your rights as a citizen, read Nersesian's "Beat the
Player" for details.

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#9

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/91467

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Curt Hitchcock <vegascurt@...> wrote:

Which shootings weren't reported to the press?

--- On Sun, 8/10/08, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

From: nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: playing on someone else's card, worst case
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:22 AM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@> wrote:
> I'd be shocked if they tried to withold payment of a jackpot b/c the
> wrong card was in the machine, and legally they wouldn't have a leg
> to stand on.

Nothing really shocks me at casinos anymore, including people getting
shot and not being reported in the press. Legally casinos must now
follow banking regulations and identify customers, a false card is a
false representation of identity and at minimum probably triggers a
SAR (suspicious activity report). They will also probably start
tracking whose cards you're using to check for gang/team activity. Of
course a lot of people use multiple cards for various reasons, but
don't be surprised if somebody somewhere doesn't like that practice.
It helps to know your rights as a citizen, read Nersesian's "Beat the
Player" for details.

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#10

In fairness - and this is quite a sad commentary - Las Vegas is such a
crime-ridden city that plenty of fatal incidents don't get much press.

A bouncer was shot and killed outside a nightclub fairly close to my home in
April 2007, and the only media coverage I could find was a single blurb in
the Review-Journal. Not even a full article - literally, an "in brief." And
I didn't even find that until almost a year after the fact.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/7270166.html

The truth is, as much as I love living here, Las Vegas is a city that's rife
with misery of all kinds, waiting under every rock. It's easy to get
distracted from that fact, but this place can be bleak beyond belief
sometimes.

And that's something that doesn't ever show up in the papers.

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On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:38 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 < nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

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#11

But at the same time, I

know of an instance where someone was paid a 95K jackpot contrary

to

written rules, lol.

contrary to what written rules?
please post/tell this story if you can.
thanks

>
> i've been very cautious about playing on my girlfriend's card, and
> vice versa. however it sounds like lots of people do this and the
> casinos don't usually care. so i'm curious.
>

Assuming that your girlfriend has a different last name, I would
guess that they are a little less lenient with you playing on her
card than they are with a husband/wife playing on each other's

cards.

> what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you from playing on
> someone else's card?
>
> if the worst case scenario is "staff says hey don't do that

again",

> then we could save a lot of time - i'm in town and pick up her

free

> play, she's at a property putting in her monthly play and does

mine

as
> well, etc. i just don't want to encounter Really Bad Stuff, like
> having them refuse to pay a royal, or barring us (or denying us
future
> mailers), or whatever.
>

I highly doubt they could deny paying a royal, but they can

certainly

86 you, take away all your points, and discontinue mailers. None

of

this is very likely unless you happen to draw a lot of attention to
yourself (and your play on other people's cards), but I know of an
instance where someone was 86'd, had mailers discontinued, and had
all points converted to gift shop credit. But at the same time, I
know of an instance where someone was paid a 95K jackpot contrary

to

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@> wrote:
written rules, lol. So I guess it depends on who you are.

#12

Is it any different than any other big city? Watch WGN Channel 9 News from Chicago and you would think half of the City got killed - and that is just in the first 5 minutes of the show.

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--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jay Fenster <gambling@swina.com> wrote:

From: Jay Fenster <gambling@swina.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: playing on someone else's card, worst case + Shootings
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:00 AM

In fairness - and this is quite a sad commentary - Las Vegas is such a
crime-ridden city that plenty of fatal incidents don't get much press.

A bouncer was shot and killed outside a nightclub fairly close to my home in
April 2007, and the only media coverage I could find was a single blurb in
the Review-Journal. Not even a full article - literally, an "in brief." And
I didn't even find that until almost a year after the fact.

http://www.lvrj. com/news/ 7270166.html

The truth is, as much as I love living here, Las Vegas is a city that's rife
with misery of all kinds, waiting under every rock. It's easy to get
distracted from that fact, but this place can be bleak beyond belief
sometimes.

And that's something that doesn't ever show up in the papers.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:38 PM, nightoftheiguana200 0 < nightoftheiguana200 0@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vpFREE/ message/91467

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#13

I think he's talking about Dancer's latest run-in with the law. Bottom
line, he could have shot the sheriff, but he most certainly did not
shot the deputy. Every time I plant a seed he say kill it before it
grow doncha know. Every day the bucket goes to the well, one day the
bottom will drop out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAixXMbyOBc
http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/2008/0805.html

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@...> wrote:

But at the same time, I
> know of an instance where someone was paid a 95K jackpot contrary
to
> written rules, lol.

contrary to what written rules?
please post/tell this story if you can.
thanks

#14

Hey There, I'm from Chicago and it took 6 minutes, not 5

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On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Wild Bill <wcimo@yahoo.com> wrote:

  Is it any different than any other big city? Watch WGN Channel 9
News from Chicago and you would think half of the City got killed - and that
is just in the first 5 minutes of the show.

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jay Fenster <gambling@swina.com<gambling%40swina.com>> > wrote:

From: Jay Fenster <gambling@swina.com <gambling%40swina.com>>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: playing on someone else's card, worst case +
Shootings
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:00 AM

In fairness - and this is quite a sad commentary - Las Vegas is such a
crime-ridden city that plenty of fatal incidents don't get much press.

A bouncer was shot and killed outside a nightclub fairly close to my home
in
April 2007, and the only media coverage I could find was a single blurb in
the Review-Journal. Not even a full article - literally, an "in brief." And
I didn't even find that until almost a year after the fact.

http://www.lvrj. com/news/ 7270166.html

The truth is, as much as I love living here, Las Vegas is a city that's
rife
with misery of all kinds, waiting under every rock. It's easy to get
distracted from that fact, but this place can be bleak beyond belief
sometimes.

And that's something that doesn't ever show up in the papers.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:38 PM, nightoftheiguana200 0 < > nightoftheiguana200 0@yahoo.com <0%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vpFREE/ message/91467
>

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#15

The difference is that in most cities, crime is over reported, for
entertainment value. In Nevada, crime is heavily under reported,
because it's bad for tourism. If you read the LVA article you would
have seen that they credit this to the days when the mob ran the show,
it was official mob policy that "nobody gets wacked in a casino".
Obviously, people did get wacked, but official policy was that wacking
never actually happened inside a casino. "Nobody seen nuthin". Today,
of course, casino crime continues, but the state and aligned interests
downplay it in order not to discourage tourism. This includes not
actually filling police reports, which means the crime does not get
recorded in official crime statistics.

Is it any different than any other big city? Watch WGN Channel 9

News from Chicago and you would think half of the City got killed -
and that is just in the first 5 minutes of the show.

From: Jay Fenster <gambling@...>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: playing on someone else's card, worst case

+ Shootings

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:00 AM

In fairness - and this is quite a sad commentary - Las Vegas is such a
crime-ridden city that plenty of fatal incidents don't get much press.

A bouncer was shot and killed outside a nightclub fairly close to my

home in

April 2007, and the only media coverage I could find was a single

blurb in

the Review-Journal. Not even a full article - literally, an "in

brief." And

I didn't even find that until almost a year after the fact.

http://www.lvrj. com/news/ 7270166.html

The truth is, as much as I love living here, Las Vegas is a city

that's rife

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jay Fenster <gambling@...> wrote:
with misery of all kinds, waiting under every rock. It's easy to get
distracted from that fact, but this place can be bleak beyond belief
sometimes.

And that's something that doesn't ever show up in the papers.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:38 PM, nightoftheiguana200 0 < > nightoftheiguana200 0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vpFREE/ message/91467
>

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