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PICTURE: $4,000 - $1 Dealt Sequential RF

Excuse me Bill, but I thought he said a sequential RF, not just a T-A.
Therefore, if he is including the other sequence of A-T, then his figures are probably correct.
The only machines this ever mattered on were the progrssives that paid different amounts for the two sequences.
Otherwise, the payouts on the progressive that used this tactic were one amount for a RF and another for any sequential RF.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: weharter
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:25 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: PICTURE: $4,000 - $1 Dealt Sequential RF

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "byrneboom" <bgiven@...> wrote:
  >
  > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:
  > >
  > > spow518 wrote:
  > >
  > > > What casino was the royal at?
  > >
  > > Undisclosed by the player.
  > >
  > > vpFae
  > >
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  > I calculated the odds of being dealt a sequential royal at
  38,984,400.
  > Can anyone confirm this to be accurate? My math - total possible
  > combinations of any hand in sequential order
  52*51*50*49*48=311,875,200
  > divided by total combinations of sequential royals(8)
  >

  You're off by about a factor of 2. A dealt sequential royal has a
  probability of .00000000012826, which if you invert it comes out to
  be 1 in 77,968,800. I would guess this is a once in a lifetime event
  for most VP players.

  This is how you get the probability (you can use MS Excel to do this
  easily).

  There are 2,598,960 possible 5 card starting hands in a 52 card deck
  [combin(52,5) in Excel] where order doesn't matter, i.e.,
  combinations. Only 4 of these are RF. So, the probability of a RF
  on the deal is 4/2,598,960 (or 1 out of 649,740).

  For a sequential RF, order does matter. There are 120 different ways
  to order 5 cards [permut(5,5) in Excel]. Only 1 of these ways will
  be the T-A sequential RF. So, the probability of a T-A sequential RF
  is 1/120.

  To get the probability of a dealt, sequential T-A RF you just
  multiply the two probabilities which is 4/311,875,200 or 1/77,968,800.

  Combinations versus permutations can sometimes be confusing. Just
  remember that order doesn't matter in combinations (which is the case
  in VP) and order does matter in permutations.

  Hope this helps.

  Bill

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Excuse me Bill, but I thought he said a sequential RF, not just a T-A.
Therefore, if he is including the other sequence of A-T, then his

figures are probably correct.

The only machines this ever mattered on were the progrssives that

paid different amounts for the two sequences.

Otherwise, the payouts on the progressive that used this tactic were

one amount for a RF and another for any sequential RF.

Right you are. An A-T is normally called a reverse sequential Royal,
and there are machines that pay differently for it.

The picture is of a T-A sequential royal. For which, the probability I
I stated is correct.

Minor points, for as I said, it was a once in a lifetime event for
someone.

Bill

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