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PICTURE: $30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF

Hail, hail to the big winner! That is indeed one sweet photo and I'd
nominate it for the permanent archives, for sure. Congratulations!!!

As for the writer of the post who felt it was necessary to point out what a
lousy game it was - Stuff a sock in it. I think we had this discussion on
vpFREE not long ago regarding posts like that about jackpot photos. I've
enjoyed your posts very much but that one was way out of line. IMHO.

- Brian in MI

mikeymic wrote:

I admire a dealt 10X dealt triple royal no matter who
gets it or what they played. Great hit!

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As for the writer of the post who felt it was necessary to point out

what a

lousy game it was - Stuff a sock in it. I think we had this

discussion on

vpFREE not long ago regarding posts like that about jackpot photos.

I've

enjoyed your posts very much but that one was way out of line. IMHO.

- Brian in MI

To Brian in MI

I'm new here and since you didn't get my original post, I'll spend it
out for out. That picture is great casino propaganda. I get the same
feeling when the Lottery agencies have pictures of people who won
million dollar jackpots from making wagers that return 70%. I am happy
for the person who hit the jackpot, but want to remind people that
jackpot comes at a cost.

Again, for all those people who don't understand N-Play or STP; the
optimal return MEANS the player has to recieve the fair number of dealt
winners, if not, then that player is playing a game at less than
optimal return. Or said, differently, one is EXPECTED to hit 10X with
a dealt royal -- otherwise, the game returns is much less than the
number quoted. I don't like STP game structure because the player must
make a "6" coin payment on each hand (a sum certain payment) while his
return is unknown (the payoff is sum uncertain). So if you don't get
10X with dealt straight flush, or 10X with dealt quads, etc, you are
playing a game at less than optimal return. Food for thought.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Marksalot300@... wrote:

STP is not anymore an unknown than any other hand of vp
just a little more complicated to calculate
"wizard of odds.com" has the calculations
and
there are good pay tables for stp, but as hard to find as any good
pay table these days
VEN/PALAZZO had some nice ones that are probably gone by what i am
reading

> As for the writer of the post who felt it was necessary to point

out

what a
> lousy game it was - Stuff a sock in it. I think we had this
discussion on
> vpFREE not long ago regarding posts like that about jackpot

photos.

I've
> enjoyed your posts very much but that one was way out of line.

IMHO.

>
> - Brian in MI

To Brian in MI

I'm new here and since you didn't get my original post, I'll spend

it

out for out. That picture is great casino propaganda. I get the

same

feeling when the Lottery agencies have pictures of people who won
million dollar jackpots from making wagers that return 70%. I am

happy

for the person who hit the jackpot, but want to remind people that
jackpot comes at a cost.

Again, for all those people who don't understand N-Play or STP; the
optimal return MEANS the player has to recieve the fair number of

dealt

winners, if not, then that player is playing a game at less than
optimal return. Or said, differently, one is EXPECTED to hit 10X

with

a dealt royal -- otherwise, the game returns is much less than the
number quoted. I don't like STP game structure because the player

must

make a "6" coin payment on each hand (a sum certain payment) while

his

return is unknown (the payoff is sum uncertain). So if you don't

get

10X with dealt straight flush, or 10X with dealt quads, etc, you

are

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Marksalot300@ wrote:
playing a game at less than optimal return. Food for thought.

Thanks, for all the congratulations. I do know the pay table is lousy
but due to the slot tax in Florida (50%) the casino can not offer full
pay tables. Airfare to better paytables is too high right now. The
Seminole Indian casino has better paytables in Casino database but I
have never won a dime there. The 10x dealt royal was my 7th Royal in 9
months at this casino. I stopped at this casino with a 100 bucks in my
pocket. I was going to get my free lunch and go home. Sometimes getting
lucky is bettter than getting a full pay table.
Keep chasing the Royal,
Chris

IMO, the STP structure is a great scam developed by IGT because of the
guaranteed cost of the "6th" coin. Here's the link
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/super-times-pay.html

For the marginal improvement of 96.86% (truncated) for 6/5 Bonus poker
to 97.13% (truncated) due to the STP structure, the wizard stated he
FEELS "the standard deviation of Super Times Pay is about 42% more than
the same game without the multiplier feature." On an apples to apples
comparison, the marginal improvement in return is 27 basis points
(0.27%) higher on an absolute basis or 28 basis point (0.28%) on a
percentage basis while the std deviation is 42% (that's 4200 basis
points!!) higher, respectively.

Also note that the wizard's results did not meet expectations; he fell
short "[m]y average multiplier was 4.027, a little under the average
4.05." Those results are based on a sizeable 440 observations.

Like I stated earlier, I don't think the risk - reward ratio for STP
has been fully understood by most people. IGT could have designed STP
without a "6th coin" by lowering the base pay table and still maintain
a comparable returns, respectively.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mariettatom" <hackt@...> wrote:

STP is not anymore an unknown than any other hand of vp
just a little more complicated to calculate
"wizard of odds.com" has the calculations
and
there are good pay tables for stp, but as hard to find as any good
pay table these days
VEN/PALAZZO had some nice ones that are probably gone by what i am
reading

HELL YEAH! I do get tired of some of the pompous A$$es that post on
this board. If you hit on any other machine then one of the precious
full pays, they post as if you committed a crime against video poker
players.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chrisharitos" <chrisharitos@...> wrote:

Thanks, for all the congratulations. ....... Sometimes getting
lucky is bettter than getting a full pay table.
Keep chasing the Royal,
Chris