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$30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF
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#2

It's the holy grail!

Wow. Just wow.

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On 7/19/08, vpFae <vpFae@cox.net> wrote:

$30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF

#3

The casino needs more pictures like this one and if you look closely
(I'm not sure if King Fish or the rest of the group caught this), but
it's a 6-5 Bonus poker game (game returns 96.87% bofore STP bonus).

I am sorry to state, multi-line 6-5 BP is not the holy grail in my
book. It's a nice picture for bragging rights with the caveat.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:

On 7/19/08, vpFae <vpFae@...> wrote:

> $30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF

It's the holy grail!

Wow. Just wow.

#4

Congrats! Good going - wish it would happen to me sometime! B.

$30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@...> wrote:

#5

>
>
> > $30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF
>
> It's the holy grail!
>
> Wow. Just wow.

The casino needs more pictures like this one and if you look

closely

(I'm not sure if King Fish or the rest of the group caught this),

but

it's a 6-5 Bonus poker game (game returns 96.87% bofore STP bonus).

I am sorry to state, multi-line 6-5 BP is not the holy grail in my
book. It's a nice picture for bragging rights with the caveat.

So what exactly did the player do wrong? Play a short-pay machine and
get lucky? You're not impressed by $30000 and use the word "sorry"?

There are no caveats with short-term success. You might want the 10X
multiplier and a dealt royal to only show up as a reward for playing
full-pay. But it doesn't work that way.

Many players run out of money before having all the success that full-
pay machines bring. And unless properly bankrolled to wait out those
long-term results, short-term short-pay players will many times have
better success. I admire a dealt 10X dealt triple royal no matter who
gets it or what they played. Great hit!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@> wrote:
> On 7/19/08, vpFae <vpFae@> wrote:

#6

I said earlier that casinos should have more pictures that like -- it
gets people to play short-pay video poker games.

As you know, the game's optimal return INCLUDES 10X with a dealt royal
(it's baked in); in fact, if you NEVER hit 10X with a dealt royal, you
will NOT get the optimal return; in fact, your return is a less.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

There are no caveats with short-term success. You might want the 10X
multiplier and a dealt royal to only show up as a reward for playing
full-pay. But it doesn't work that way.

Many players run out of money before having all the success that full-
pay machines bring. And unless properly bankrolled to wait out those
long-term results, short-term short-pay players will many times have
better success. I admire a dealt 10X dealt triple royal no matter who
gets it or what they played. Great hit!

#7

DOUBLE WOW FOR SURE! 10 X usually gets you a pair.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:

On 7/19/08, vpFae <vpFae@...> wrote:

> $30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF

It's the holy grail!

Wow. Just wow.

#8

I wonder what the odds of that are. I'm guessing about like hitting
Megabucks.

George

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:

On 7/19/08, vpFae <vpFae@...> wrote:

> $30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF

It's the holy grail!

Wow. Just wow.

#9

Holy Crap! I want to rub your frikkin head for luck and pray that just a
fraction of it adheres to me.

Chandler

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$30,000 - 25c (3 Play - 10X STP) Dealt RF
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#10

As you know, the game's optimal return INCLUDES 10X with a dealt

royal

(it's baked in); in fact, if you NEVER hit 10X with a dealt royal,

you

will NOT get the optimal return; in fact, your return is a less.

While that is true, you should still remember that even a hit that
large is an incredibly small percentage of the total payout. Using
the approximate numbers available on the wizard of odds site:

multiplier cycle - 15
10 X came 17 times in 440 multipliers
dealt royal cycle 649740

we get a dealt 10X royal cycle at roughly 252,252,000 hands. Each
dealt 10X royal has a payout of 6666 2/3 credits per credit wagered,
so the dealt 10X royal accounts for .00264% of the total payout.

Of course, that is just the value of the 10X dealt royal and doesn't
include all the other dealt royals with multipliers that you expect
to have received. If we include those using the figures of a 15 hand
cycle for a multiplier and a 4.05 average multiplier, we get a dealt,
multiplied royal every 9,746,100 hands with an average payout of 2700
credits per credit wagered. This translates to dealt, multiplied
royals accounting for .0277% of the total payout.

Now, I'm not arguing with your opinion that the slight increase in ER
that STP provides is not worth the greater risk. I think that is an
assessment that would and should differ from person to person. I am
just pointing out that the statement:

As you know, the game's optimal return INCLUDES 10X with a dealt

royal

(it's baked in); in fact, if you NEVER hit 10X with a dealt royal,

you

will NOT get the optimal return; in fact, your return is a less.

is refering to a much smaller part of the total return than the
average reader would intuit. In fact the error rate of the average
reader likely costs them significantly more of the total return than
they would lose by never hitting a dealt royal with any multiplier.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@...> wrote:

#11

> As you know, the game's optimal return INCLUDES 10X with a dealt
> royal (it's baked in); in fact, if you NEVER hit 10X with a dealt
> royal, you will NOT get the optimal return; in fact, your return is
> a less.

pokegimp wrote:

While that is true, you should still remember that even a hit that
large is an incredibly small percentage of the total payout. Using
the approximate numbers available on the wizard of odds site ...

Now, I'm not arguing with your opinion that the slight increase in ER
that STP provides is not worth the greater risk. I think that is an
assessment that would and should differ from person to person. I am
just pointing out that the statement:

I'll chime in with Brian in commendation ... Bravo! :wink:

Truth is, I gave a stab at a reply, quickly got tied up in my
thoughts, and thought better of it. Very glad to see someone address
this coherently and succinctly.

I'll address one other aspect of chungs post -- he implies that IGT is
offering up a sucker bet to the unaware player. Far from it.

For one thing, I give most all active players credit for having a
strong intuitive sense of which games suit them best (probably more
credit than most here do).

Now, there may be many players who will take a run at STP, only to
find that it's just not for them (particularly on the variance front).
But the fact is that the players who've been at this for awhile (even
the most haphazard ones in selecting their plays) will quickly abandon
the play if it's not to their taste. The idea that some player might
unwittingly bet the house on the game with great regret afterwards
just doesn't fit my experience and observations. (Of course, there
are some players who will cry foul with every c-note that's drained.)

This is a truly beautifully structured game for those players who
crave variance. (For players such as myself, the silver cross in my
hip pocket is quickly put to use on a walk-by to ward off any game
with a variance greater than JB, lest it sink it's teeth deeply into
my bankroll :wink: ... at Rio, getting in the spirit of things, I
substitute Mardi Gras beads of garlic.)

- Harry

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" wrote:

#12

Thanks for the math. As I thought, this is (considerably) rarer than
a Megabucks hit.

George

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@> wrote:
>
>
> As you know, the game's optimal return INCLUDES 10X with a dealt
royal
> (it's baked in); in fact, if you NEVER hit 10X with a dealt royal,
you
> will NOT get the optimal return; in fact, your return is a less.
>

While that is true, you should still remember that even a hit that
large is an incredibly small percentage of the total payout. Using
the approximate numbers available on the wizard of odds site:

multiplier cycle - 15
10 X came 17 times in 440 multipliers
dealt royal cycle 649740

we get a dealt 10X royal cycle at roughly 252,252,000 hands. Each
dealt 10X royal has a payout of 6666 2/3 credits per credit wagered,
so the dealt 10X royal accounts for .00264% of the total payout.

Of course, that is just the value of the 10X dealt royal and doesn't
include all the other dealt royals with multipliers that you expect
to have received. If we include those using the figures of a 15 hand
cycle for a multiplier and a 4.05 average multiplier, we get a dealt,
multiplied royal every 9,746,100 hands with an average payout of 2700
credits per credit wagered. This translates to dealt, multiplied
royals accounting for .0277% of the total payout.

Now, I'm not arguing with your opinion that the slight increase in ER
that STP provides is not worth the greater risk. I think that is an
assessment that would and should differ from person to person. I am
just pointing out that the statement:

>
>
> As you know, the game's optimal return INCLUDES 10X with a dealt
royal
> (it's baked in); in fact, if you NEVER hit 10X with a dealt royal,
you
> will NOT get the optimal return; in fact, your return is a less.
>

is refering to a much smaller part of the total return than the
average reader would intuit. In fact the error rate of the average
reader likely costs them significantly more of the total return than
they would lose by never hitting a dealt royal with any multiplier.

#13

With the huge difference in jackpots
I hope you're wrong.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "George" <wxmen@...> wrote:

I wonder what the odds of that are.
I'm guessing about like hitting Megabucks.

George

#14

Sorry, but you are misreading my assertion. By extension, you need to
calculate on dealt STFL, Quads, Full House, etc. When you sum it up,
it becomes a significant number for some.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:

Of course, that is just the value of the 10X dealt royal and doesn't
include all the other dealt royals with multipliers that you expect
to have received. If we include those using the figures of a 15 hand
cycle for a multiplier and a 4.05 average multiplier, we get a dealt,
multiplied royal every 9,746,100 hands with an average payout of 2700
credits per credit wagered. This translates to dealt, multiplied
royals accounting for .0277% of the total payout.

#15

is offering up a sucker bet to the unaware player. Far from it.

Harry, I never said it was a "sucker bet" (Harry, please don't put
words in my mouth) -- I simply compared the sum certain loss on each
wager, i.e. the 6th coin, against sum uncertain gain, i.e. the STP
multipliers. This observation is about game design NOT about sucker
bet; these are two different arguments because the issues are
INDEPENDENT of each other.

If you want variance, play million dollar video poker when IGT brings
it out. The math supports 30 million dollar jackpots similar to
megajackpots for slots. You can verify this by looking at IGT's
patents on the video poker machines and using a little imagination.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

I'll address one other aspect of chungs post -- he implies that IGT