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Pick-Em and Multistrike

Hey everybody;

    On a recent trip to AC I was kinda bored and decided I wanted to try something new so I put a few bucks into a Pickem machine. I had remembered reading raves on here about how cool the game was I thought.

    I was fairly unimpressed......but maybe I was missing something....What makes Pick-em such a great game? I don't remember what the paytable was that I was playing, it was at Harrahs though so it probably wasn't that great.<G>

    I also tried a multi-strike game this trip, I didn't like that either. Didn't like losing 4 bets due to one crappy hand.

Take care;

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De gustibus non disputandum est.

Many people just love, love, love Pick'em and Multi-Strike. Me too.
But I respect you just the same for looking down on those games.

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wrote:

Hey everybody;

    On a recent trip to AC I was kinda bored and decided I wanted

to try something new so I put a few bucks into a Pickem machine. I
had remembered reading raves on here about how cool the game was I
thought.

    I was fairly unimpressed......but maybe I was missing

something....What makes Pick-em such a great game? I don't remember
what the paytable was that I was playing, it was at Harrahs though so
it probably wasn't that great.<G>

    I also tried a multi-strike game this trip, I didn't like that

either. Didn't like losing 4 bets due to one crappy hand.

···

Take care;

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrin <affordablehauling2003@y...>
wrote:

Hey everybody;

    On a recent trip to AC I was kinda bored and decided I wanted

to try something new so I put a few bucks into a Pickem machine. I
had remembered reading raves on here about how cool the game was I
thought.

    I was fairly unimpressed......but maybe I was missing

something....What makes Pick-em such a great game? I don't remember
what the paytable was that I was playing, it was at Harrahs though
so it probably wasn't that great.<G>

    I also tried a multi-strike game this trip, I didn't like that

either. Didn't like losing 4 bets due to one crappy hand.

Take care;

Pick Em is to real video poker as Casino War is to real casino table
games. The only reason anybody plays it is that for a long time, as
many prominent Strip megatoilets (such as NYNY), it was the only
halfway decent game in the house, and a lot of people wouid play it
to do comp-mongering.

Multistrike has the thrilling feature of losing twenty or more bets
in a row fairly often. Get stranded on the bottom line for a few
minutes (with the occasional foray up to Line Two resulting in your
being dealt 537810) and you can see 400 credits vanish like Vegas
tourists on a Sunday evening.

The real reason that Multistrike hasn't really caught on is that the
penalty for not learning the strategy is MUCH more drastic than any
other VP game---so the clueless get torched, and they don't return
to this game. I mean---would your average dork even CONSIDER keeping
the KJ from KJ733???

The real reason that Pick Em isn't very popular is the same reason
that very few people watch the Peruvian stock market on the Third
World Finance Channel.

One of my rules is - to get rid of a TROLL, you should never respond to one of their post. But, I'll break that rule here:

Pick Em is to real video poker as Casino War is to real casino table
games.

DISAGREE: Casino war is one of the worst paying EV games in the casino, But often Pickem is one of the best.
Casino War has a simple strategy , compared to the 20 odd perfect strategy rules most educated players use.

he only reason anybody plays it is that for a long time, as
many prominent Strip megatoilets (such as NYNY), it was the only
halfway decent game in the house, and a lot of people wouid play it
to do comp-mongering.

DISAGREE: Most advantage players play the game cause of its high EV and low volatility. The game is a lot of fun when you start
with $200 and cash out for $1200 like I've done many times. NYNY ( the Megatoilet by your terms ) use to be a fantastic place. I once went there for New Years and received comps worth over $1200 for the weekend, thats on 10k/day action.

> Multistrike has the thrilling feature of losing twenty or more bets

in a row fairly often.

DISAGREE: its most thrilling features are getting Specials and royals on lines 3 and 4. Many times I've started with $200 on a quarter machine and cashed out over $2000. Achieved a winning lifetime profit on these, so I for one can't complain.

Get stranded on the bottom line for a few
minutes (with the occasional foray up to Line Two resulting in your
being dealt 537810) and you can see 400 credits vanish like Vegas
tourists on a Sunday evening.

COMMENT: Bad luck can happen in any game. I once lost $1000 in 3 hours playing $ full pay Deuces.

The real reason that Multistrike hasn't really caught on is that the
penalty for not learning the strategy is MUCH more drastic than any
other VP game---so the clueless get torched, and they don't return
to this game.

Again DISAGREE: It hasn't caught on as much as it could with the ploppies because of the higher bankroll required. Most serious advantage players start with enough to avoid Gamblers Ruin.
Also, its not the worse for not really knowing the strategy. The 101.2 OEJ at Sams, can go down to 99 if you go into the play cold without the required 100 line+ strategy sheet.

I mean---would your average dork even CONSIDER keeping
the KJ from KJ733???
The real reason that Pick Em isn't very popular is the same reason
that very few people watch the Peruvian stock market on the Third
World Finance Channel.

HA HA -- funny, but that kind of abusive logic don't deserve comment.

best wishes....Tom

I think you misunderstand my friend....I'm not looking down on them.....just was curious what the attraction was to them in case I was missing something.

I personally would never condemn anybody for the game that they choose to play....it's a personal choice that we all have to make.

Sorry that you seem to have misunderstood the intent of my post. No offense intended to anybody. Just a question.

Thanks

De gustibus non disputandum est.

Many people just love, love, love Pick'em and Multi-Strike. Me too.
But I respect you just the same for looking down on those games.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrin <affordablehauling2003@y...>
wrote:

Hey everybody;

    On a recent trip to AC I was kinda bored and decided I wanted

to try something new so I put a few bucks into a Pickem machine. I
had remembered reading raves on here about how cool the game was I
thought.

    I was fairly unimpressed......but maybe I was missing

something....What makes Pick-em such a great game? I don't remember
what the paytable was that I was playing, it was at Harrahs though so
it probably wasn't that great.<G>

    I also tried a multi-strike game this trip, I didn't like that

either. Didn't like losing 4 bets due to one crappy hand.

···

superquadfullhousroyalistic <erchalb@cantv.net> wrote:

Take care;

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PLOWING, ODD JOBS, GARBAGE PICK UP, HANDYMAN WITH A TRUCK

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ALL ITEMS ARE DISPOSED OF 100% LEGALLY

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Hey, I'm not offended at all. Your post really did not ask specific
questions, but you sort of said you did not like those games,
something to which you are completely entitled to. Now I see you are
curious about what the attraction of those games is. Well, there is
this Bob Dancer article recently on Strictly Slots about three games
including Pick-a-Pair

http://www.strictlyslots.com/archive/0501ss/SS0105_NewVP_feature.pdf

Pick-a-pair is the same as Pick'em, except it comes with more games,
including Deuces. I read that Borgata in AC has the Deuces game. Its
return could be one of the two BD mentions, 99.42% and 98.7%. I have
never played Pick-a-Pair, but want to.

In Las Vegas for a long time Bally's had Pick'em, the full pay
version, in dollars, half-dollars and quarters. Those machines were
terribly popular, you could not get to play one in quarters, even
during the week, they were always busy. Some people find Pick'em the
most boring game there is, but I have read posts from people who in
spite of finding the game terribly boring, play it for hours and
hours. I'll tell you what I like it. I like the middle Strip, I like
those big high tech resorts with very good ventilation. Thus whenever
there I used to make a little walk to Bally's or Paris and play
Pick'em for a long time. The Royal pays 6000 coins and the Quad 600
coins. Get a machine in a frequent Quad cycle, and it is much more
fun than Bonus DeLuxe, even though this last one is more challenging
as far as memorizing a strategy. The simplicity and boredom of
Pick'em can be an asset to the game on days you don't want to think.
Of course, on those days just pick numbers on a Keno machine and just
push replay bet, that's best :).

Multi-Strike is the complete opposite of Pick'em, it has a very
complicated strategy. No matter what game you play in it, you have to
memorize four strategies. The one you play on the top line you
probably know, it is the one you play on the base game. If you like
challenging games, then playing this one perfectly is it. By the way,
it is to your advantage to learn all the strategies, it adds return
to the game, long term. I hardly ever play plain Multi-Strike anymore
ever since they came out with Five Play Multi-Strike, which is the
same game on a five play platform. If you have never played this
game, you can go to the following site and play it for free

http://www.fiveplaymultistrikepoker.com/

Going back to your post, I just did not want to go into a long reply
and thus posted the latin quotation, maybe vppappy knows if it is
from Nero or from Petronius or from someone else or from no one in
particular. Depending on who is it from, my reply could be
interpreted differently :). I just meant that different people like
different things, and that is that. Now, I was puzzled by your post.
Everyone without exception that I have given the link above, has
become practically addicted to Five Play Multi-Strike and they find
it fun. Its virtues are that it is indeed fun, and that you can hit
an $8K Royal playing quarters. Its problem is that it is very
volatile. You can at Mirage, for example, play it in nickels or two
cents denomination, but the pay tables there are not great. As much
as I like this game, I play it only if it is paying me from the
start. I have read about people dumping thousands and thousands of
dollars, and I just don't like to do that. I won't say more, since
then I will be going against the accepted way of playing here in this
message board, which is for the long term, best machines, maximize
EV, etc., etc. Okay, do that if you want. I walk away from the
machine if it just makes me open the wallet too often, let's leave it
at that.

I have reread your post, and if you played Pick'em at Harrahs in AC,
then you played the short return version. The version you played
probably pays 10,000 coins for a Royal; that looks nice, but the full
pay version pays 6,000 coins for a Royal. Bally's in AC has this
game, full pay, in quarters. The shor pay takes your money too fast.
The short return version is to be completely avoided. Caesars in AC
has this game with the short paytable; to me those machines are the
same as invisible, I never play them.

Good luck.

"Fortuna caeca est." (This one is from Cicero, so you know I'm being
very nice. :))

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrin <affordablehauling2003@y...>
wrote:

I think you misunderstand my friend....I'm not looking down on

them.....just was curious what the attraction was to them in case I
was missing something.

I personally would never condemn anybody for the game that they

choose to play....it's a personal choice that we all have to make.

Sorry that you seem to have misunderstood the intent of my post. No

offense intended to anybody. Just a question.

Thanks

superquadfullhousroyalistic <erchalb@c...> wrote:

De gustibus non disputandum est.

Many people just love, love, love Pick'em and Multi-Strike. Me too.
But I respect you just the same for looking down on those games.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrin <affordablehauling2003@y...>
wrote:
> Hey everybody;
>
> On a recent trip to AC I was kinda bored and decided I wanted
to try something new so I put a few bucks into a Pickem machine. I
had remembered reading raves on here about how cool the game was I
thought.
>
> I was fairly unimpressed......but maybe I was missing
something....What makes Pick-em such a great game? I don't

remember

what the paytable was that I was playing, it was at Harrahs though

so

it probably wasn't that great.<G>
>
> I also tried a multi-strike game this trip, I didn't like

that

···

either. Didn't like losing 4 bets due to one crappy hand.
>
> Take care;
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

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>
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>
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Hi,

I replied to you but I guess my reply got lost so I'll reply again,
but try to make it shorter.

I guess I thought you were an experienced player just expressing an
opinion on those games, so I guess I misunderstood you, but, please,
I'm not now, nor was I before, offended by anything in your post at
all. All I wanted is to let you know that many people like those
games. At Bally's in AC you can hardly get quarter Pick'em machine,
they are always played. This used to be so at Bally's Las Vegas, on
their quarter Pick'em, since gone. There is this Bob Dancer article
on Strictly Slots, hope the link works,

http://www.strictlyslots.com/archive/0501ss/SS0105_NewVP_feature.pdf

The third game discussed is Pick-a-Pair, which he says it is the same
as Pick'em, but with Deuces and Double Double Bonus, apart of the
basic Pick'em. I have not played these new Pick-a-Pair game, but it
sounds like fun. You say you played the game at Harrahs AC, in which
case you played a short pay version. I never play that as it takes
your money too fast. The Basic Full pay has a 6,000 Royal, short pay
has a 10,000 Royal. Pick'em, I find, is simple, easy and relaxing.
Whenever I find that it is too, too boring, which is the objection
you read the most even from people who play it for hours, I can move
to the intellectually challenging Multi-Strik that demands you learn
four strategies for each game, one for each level. I also like the
fact that Pick'em Poker alliterates with Dicken's The Pickwick
Papers. :slight_smile:

Multi-Strike can take your money fast, but it can give you an $8K
Royal in quarter denomination. I never play simple Multi-Strike
anymore, but find Five Play Multi-Strike more fun. You can play that
for free on this link, hope it works,

http://www.fiveplaymultistrikepoker.com/

Everyone I have given the link to has gotten addicted. I agree it can
be expensive, even though Mirage has it in nickels and two cents with
bad paytables. You can drop thousands easily, so I don't stay on a
machine if I have to open my wallet too often. Sometimes it pays from
the start, and then I find it fun for real money.

I'm sure there are different opinions on these different games, and
maybe you will get to like them or never will. That's perfectly fine
with me, I don't mind if people don't like games I like. I hate, for
example, 10/7 DB, but don't look down on the many people I know love
it. What I hate about it is to hold three suited cards with two to a
Royal. I prefer 10/6 DDB even though it pays about a tenth of a
percent less. Some of my best friends like 10/7 DB.

Well, whatever game you like and play, hit some Royals. Adieu.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrin <affordablehauling2003@y...>
wrote:

I think you misunderstand my friend....I'm not looking down on

them.....just was curious what the attraction was to them in case I
was missing something.

I personally would never condemn anybody for the game that they

choose to play....it's a personal choice that we all have to make.

Sorry that you seem to have misunderstood the intent of my post. No

offense intended to anybody. Just a question.

Thanks

superquadfullhousroyalistic <erchalb@c...> wrote:

De gustibus non disputandum est.

Many people just love, love, love Pick'em and Multi-Strike. Me too.
But I respect you just the same for looking down on those games.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Darrin <affordablehauling2003@y...>
wrote:
> Hey everybody;
>
> On a recent trip to AC I was kinda bored and decided I wanted
to try something new so I put a few bucks into a Pickem machine. I
had remembered reading raves on here about how cool the game was I
thought.
>
> I was fairly unimpressed......but maybe I was missing
something....What makes Pick-em such a great game? I don't

remember

what the paytable was that I was playing, it was at Harrahs though

so

it probably wasn't that great.<G>
>
> I also tried a multi-strike game this trip, I didn't like

that

···

either. Didn't like losing 4 bets due to one crappy hand.
>
> Take care;
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

--

-------------------------------------
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>
> NO JOB TOO SMALL ------ FREE CONSULTATION
>
> ALL ITEMS ARE DISPOSED OF 100% LEGALLY
>
> Affordable Hauling
>
>
> Office: (518)821-9055 Fax: (707)922-7853
>
>
>
>
>
>
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tomflush wrote:

The real reason that Multistrike hasn't really caught on is that the
penalty for not learning the strategy is MUCH more drastic than any
other VP game---so the clueless get torched, and they don't return
to this game.
   

Again DISAGREE: It hasn't caught on...

I have to disagree somewhat with some of the premises of both the original thought and the response. Multi Strike has been probably the most successful innovation in video poker since multiplay/spinpoker. And it appears, from my observations, to be MOST popular with low denom players who not only have no clue to correct strategy, but are willing to accept really nasty pay tables. Many smarter players are slower to start playing the game because they still learning the MS strategies, (but they are really not that difficult, since the importance of getting to the next level really simplifies things on the bottom two lines).

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