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Pesky Hosts?

#1

I was playing in high limit recently at a $5 machine.

I hit a few small taxables, nothing humongous, but it isn't hard to
go over $1200 if you play at the $5 level. Any four-of-a-kind in many
games, as you know, will pay $1250.

At least TWICE during the course of my play I had two different hosts
approach me. My card was inserted in the machine, so all play was
being tracked. I am aware that staff sometimes "roams" the casino
looking for players not using a card (perhaps not signed up with the
slot club). This obviously was not the situation in my case.

So, I'm wondering what exactly "signaled" those two hosts to drop
whatever else they were doing and come over and chat. Does a high
limit staffer pick up the phone and call them? Does the event of a
taxable jackpot alert hosts?

Both ladies, though not my host, addressed me by my name as they
walked up.

So, my question is this: How did they know?

#2

Same thing happened to me at Bally's a while ago. It amazed me that
the guy came up to me and addressed me by name, but I figured that
since my card was inserted into the machine the host probably has a
screen on his desk which gives him the info.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf152512" <npf152512@...> wrote:

At least TWICE during the course of my play I had two different hosts
approach me. My card was inserted in the machine, so all play was
being tracked. I am aware that staff sometimes "roams" the casino
looking for players not using a card (perhaps not signed up with the
slot club). This obviously was not the situation in my case.

Both ladies, though not my host, addressed me by my name as they
walked up.

So, my question is this: How did they know?

#3

Same thing happened to us. Not a host but an emploee walked up to me and addressed me by name and commented to me that my wife had won a taxable the day before.

npf152512 <npf152512@yahoo.com> wrote: I was playing in high limit recently at a $5 machine.

I hit a few small taxables, nothing humongous, but it isn't hard to
go over $1200 if you play at the $5 level. Any four-of-a-kind in many
games, as you know, will pay $1250.

At least TWICE during the course of my play I had two different hosts
approach me. My card was inserted in the machine, so all play was
being tracked. I am aware that staff sometimes "roams" the casino
looking for players not using a card (perhaps not signed up with the
slot club). This obviously was not the situation in my case.

So, I'm wondering what exactly "signaled" those two hosts to drop
whatever else they were doing and come over and chat. Does a high
limit staffer pick up the phone and call them? Does the event of a
taxable jackpot alert hosts?

Both ladies, though not my host, addressed me by my name as they
walked up.

So, my question is this: How did they know?

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#4

<<So, I'm wondering what exactly "signaled" those two hosts to drop
whatever else they were doing and come over and chat. Does a high
limit staffer pick up the phone and call them? Does the event of a
taxable jackpot alert hosts?>>

They have a screen that shows people currently playing, sorted by
theoretical and/or actual loss. If the screen shows you are not assigned to
a host, they see it as an opportunity to pick up a good player.

Cogno

#5

Hosts need to be cautious in what they say.

I'm picturing the events of the next hour or two, with you having sneaked into Vegas for a fling thinking the wife was back at home in Peoria.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pickett <robert.pickett70@...> wrote:

Same thing happened to us. Not a host but an emploee walked up to me and addressed me by name and commented to me that my wife had won a taxable the day before.

#6

Cogno said: They have a screen that shows people currently playing,
sorted by theoretical and/or actual loss. If the screen shows you are
not assigned to a host, they see it as an opportunity to pick up a good
player.

Cogno's information is probably correct for a particular casino or set
of casinos --- although others have different information that displays.
It depends both on the defaults of their player tracking system and how
sophisticated they choose to be. There are a number of products
available that will provide the casino with a LOT of information about
you whenever you insert your card. If you have major privacy concerns
with this, stay out of casinos.

For most players, hosts are a GOOD thing and not "pesky" creatures.
They're able to give you things you can't get otherwise. The care and
feeding of a host is an artform and successful players learn how to do
it.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#7

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For most players, hosts are a GOOD thing and not "pesky" creatures.
They're able to give you things you can't get otherwise. The care and
feeding of a host is an artform and successful players learn how to do
it.

Bob Dancer

Could you please give me some tips on "the care and feeding of a host"?
You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say that I would like
any pointers you can give me. Thanks

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bdancer@...> wrote:

#8

1/9/08
   
  The best written hints on cultivating hosts that we have seen is the material by Jean Scott
in her Frugal Gambler books beginning with the first one. I and my wife have read them and re-read them many times, and in the process we have cultivated good relations with a number of hosts. Don't push or demand, but do ask, and as the relation develops you will be amazed at what happens. Hosts like to cultivate customers, but good customers also need to cultivate hosts.
   
  vptrainman
   

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For most players, hosts are a GOOD thing and not "pesky" creatures.
They're able to give you things you can't get otherwise. The care and
feeding of a host is an artform and successful players learn how to do
it.

Bob Dancer

Could you please give me some tips on "the care and feeding of a host"?
You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say that I would like
any pointers you can give me. Thanks

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#9

<<The best written hints on cultivating hosts that we have seen is the material by Jean Scott
in her Frugal Gambler books beginning with the first one. I and my wife have read them and re-read them many times, and in the process we have cultivated good relations with a number of hosts. Don't push or demand, but do ask, and as the relation develops you will be amazed at what happens. Hosts like to cultivate customers, but good customers also need to cultivate hosts.>>

My most detailed discussions about using hosts is in "More Frugal Gambling." A whole chapter on the subject.

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#10

Gosh, Bob, I'll have to leave it to other vpFREE members to decide
whether it is worse to refer to unsolicited hosts as "pesky" or to
suggest the "care and feeding" of them as if they were pets.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bdancer@...> wrote:

The care and feeding of a host is an artform and successful players
learn how to do it.

Bob Dancer

#11

Wpbacker wrote: Could you please give me some tips on "the care and
feeding of a host"?
You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say that I would like
any pointers you can give me.

I have two chapters on that in my "Million Dollar Video Poker." Both my
novels have dealing-with-hosts tips in there as well. Jean has a number
of tips on this subject in her books.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#12

Wpbacker wrote:
Could you please give me some tips on "the care and feeding
of a host"? You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say
that I would like any pointers you can give me.

Bob Dancer wrote:
I have two chapters on that in my "Million Dollar Video Poker."
Both my novels have dealing-with-hosts tips in there as well.
Jean has a number of tips on this subject in her books.

So, I am writing:
Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.

Nice.

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#13

I'm not a card carrying member of the Bob Dancer fan club but why
should he post valuable information on this board when he might be able
to sell a few more books? Trust me, there's not much money in writing
about video poker so if he gets a few nibbles on his book based on the
post above, more power to him. Million Dollar VP is an entertaining
read and worth the few bucks it will cost you to get it from a
clearance rack.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:

Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.

Nice.

#14

It's one of the few readable sections of MDVP. Bob's advice here works
as well.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bdancer@...> wrote:

Wpbacker wrote: Could you please give me some tips on "the care and
feeding of a host"?
You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say that I would like
any pointers you can give me.

I have two chapters on that in my "Million Dollar Video Poker." Both my
novels have dealing-with-hosts tips in there as well. Jean has a number
of tips on this subject in her books.

#15

Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
So, I am writing:
Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.

Nice.

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  Last time I checked the Capitalist Manual it said that most authors write books to try and make money. Bob could respond, but the material is covered in many places. Look at this like a library - lots of good resources are available, but the librarian doesn't sit you down and read you the book.
   
  The person who has asked for tips now has many resources to choose from - if they decide to do the work. And maybe Bob will sell another book - I'm sure that profit was at least part of the motivation for writing it in the first place.
   
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#16

i bought bob dancer's book (and strategy cards and software and vp
reports). money well spent.

Frank

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...>
wrote:

Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
So, I am writing:
Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.

Nice.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   
  Last time I checked the Capitalist Manual it said that most

authors write books to try and make money. Bob could respond, but
the material is covered in many places. Look at this like a library -
lots of good resources are available, but the librarian doesn't sit
you down and read you the book.

   
  The person who has asked for tips now has many resources to

choose from - if they decide to do the work. And maybe Bob will sell
another book - I'm sure that profit was at least part of the
motivation for writing it in the first place.

   
  Jigger, aka Yuliq M'Diq
   
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#17

Sounds to me like CR wants some instant quickie tips on caring for hosts. Sorry McGee, it doesn't work that way. It takes lots of reading (like Bob and Jean's books and many articles by others) and conversations with active VP players. Good relations with hosts do not just happen, they take work and practice. Tips are not like fast food or instant injections. Good tips are not one-liners, they are concepts and paragraphs. If you don't want to buy their books, then go to your public library. Or try a google search of "casino hosts". But don't knock BD if he didn't give you detailed tips. It takes work, study, time, and practice on your part.
   
  vptrainman

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Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
          Wpbacker wrote:
Could you please give me some tips on "the care and feeding
of a host"? You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say
that I would like any pointers you can give me.

Bob Dancer wrote:
I have two chapters on that in my "Million Dollar Video Poker."
Both my novels have dealing-with-hosts tips in there as well.
Jean has a number of tips on this subject in her books.

So, I am writing:
Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.

Nice.

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#18

vptrainman is incorrect.

It was Wpbacker who posted the request for tips. Not me.

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On 1/10/08, vptrainman <vptrainman@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sounds to me like CR wants some instant quickie tips on caring for
hosts. Sorry McGee, it doesn't work that way. It takes lots of reading
(like Bob and Jean's books and many articles by others) and conversations
with active VP players. Good relations with hosts do not just happen, they
take work and practice. Tips are not like fast food or instant
injections. Good tips are not one-liners, they are concepts and
paragraphs. If you don't want to buy their books, then go to your public
library. Or try a google search of "casino hosts". But don't knock BD if
he didn't give you detailed tips. It takes work, study, time, and practice
on your part. > > vptrainman > Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
Wpbacker wrote:
Could you please give me some tips on "the care and feeding
of a host"? You said it was an artform - I am sincere when I say
that I would like any pointers you can give me.

Bob Dancer wrote:
I have two chapters on that in my "Million Dollar Video Poker."
Both my novels have dealing-with-hosts tips in there as well.
Jean has a number of tips on this subject in her books.

So, I am writing:
Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.

Nice.

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#19

Using hockeystl's logic, Bob Dancer would never post any
answers to any questions if those answers are available in
any of his books.

I've seen plenty of questions asked in this group....such as
what is the correct strategy to play a particular hand.

Given hockeystl's logic, Bob responses should always be,
"Buy my books and you will get the answer." Heck, why
should Bob post *any* information on this board when he
might be able to sell a few more books? Right?

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On 1/10/08, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
> Apparently, Bob does not want to *give* us vpFREE members
> any of his tips on the care and feeding of a host. But, Bob
> would gladly *sell* those tips to us for the price of his book.
>
> Nice.

I'm not a card carrying member of the Bob Dancer fan club but why
should he post valuable information on this board when he might be able
to sell a few more books?

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#20

Using hockeystl's logic, Bob Dancer would never post any
answers to any questions if those answers are available in
any of his books.

I've seen plenty of questions asked in this group....such as
what is the correct strategy to play a particular hand.

Given hockeystl's logic, Bob responses should always be,
"Buy my books and you will get the answer." Heck, why
should Bob post *any* information on this board when he
might be able to sell a few more books? Right?

> I'm not a card carrying member of the Bob Dancer fan club but why
> should he post *valuable* information on this board when he might

be able

> to sell a few more books?

Nice try Curtis, but note the word "valuable" in my post. For your
reference:
val·u·a·ble Pronunciation[val-yoo-uh-buhl, -yuh-buhl] 1. having
considerable monetary worth; costing or bringing a high price

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:

On 1/10/08, hockeystl <vegasstl@...> wrote: