vpFREE2 Forums

Perversity

I have not played a single hand of VP in six weeks, except to cycle
free play through at the Palms. NEVERTHELESS:

The cash coupons, free room offers, free meals, shows, etc. continue
to stuff my mailbox. In fact, this month (Nov.) so far is the hugest
haul I have ever witnessed. I am getting stuff from places whose
doorstep I have not darkened in a year, and some of it's REALLY GOOD.

I am going on an almost daily paper route, picking up cash from a
dozen different casinos. Only a couple require me to even bother
fondling a VP machine; the majority are just, "here's the money".

I have so many hotel room offers, some of them at really NICE
properties like the Venetian and Paris, I am BEGGING friends to come
on down for a weekend and stay (and eat) for free, since I can't use
these offers myself.

This despite the fact that my coin-in in the entire Las Vegas area has
been less than $2000 since Sept. 1, and less than $100 since Oct. 1.

Now, I don't intend to ever put a single quarter into a VP machine in
Las Vegas again (unless some kind of promo DIRECTLY compensates me for
doing so, and I'm not talking about just some theoretical increase in
EV), so I will just happily collect money and eat out for free until
they stop sending stuff; the cash is going into a Christmas trip for
the family. Thank you, marketing departments!

The thing I was curious about: is everyone else experiencing this
tidal upsurge in couponomy? If so, it would seem to indicate that it's
not so much PLAY that generates casino offers, but EXISTENCE, and how
hungry the casinos are at a given time. We're in pre-convention
season, and the first part of December is notoriously slow, so this
may be a good time to harvest.

This also goes to why my experiment this summer essentially failed:
for example, I DOUBLED my daily play average as well as my total
coin-in at both the Palms and Sunset Station; as my reward, they cut
my cash mailings in half(!).

Anyway, just thought I'd say "hi" to the assembled multitudes. I hope
everybody is doing well playing all that "fullpay" VP, unlike
myself(!). I am minus 3.5% of total action for the year (ignoring
comps/cashback), an insanely low figure, happily offset for the most
part by good fortune in the sports betting arena and at the poker
table. So I have thrown in the towel; I can't AFFORD to lose $17/hr on
a quarter machine, which is what is happening. No problem. Since the
only two explanations are a)I'm absurdly unlucky and b)well, you
know...and in the rest of my life, I've actually been doing quite
well...no falling meteors have hit me, my house hasn't burned down,
etc., I guess I choose b) as the only explanation...so why should I
play....

Good luck to all. Tahoe, New Orleans, and Hawaii beckon.

I think it depend's on how desparate the casino is to get people in the door.
   A lot of Atlantic City casino's are hurting since they opened the Borgata. My wife and I are getting offer's from places where we hardly played all year. Now Atlantic City is entering it's real slow season, and some casino's must be hurting for gambler's. We would do a take the money and run grab like you if we lived close enough to Atlantic City to make it worth the trip.
   Good luck in whatever you do and have fun on your vacation.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

···

mkl54321 <mkl54321@yahoo.com> wrote:
This despite the fact that my coin-in in the entire Las Vegas area has
been less than $2000 since Sept. 1, and less than $100 since Oct. 1.

Now, I don't intend to ever put a single quarter into a VP machine in
Las Vegas again (unless some kind of promo DIRECTLY compensates me for
doing so, and I'm not talking about just some theoretical increase in
EV), so I will just happily collect money and eat out for free until
they stop sending stuff; the cash is going into a Christmas trip for
the family. Thank you, marketing departments!

The thing I was curious about: is everyone else experiencing this
tidal upsurge in couponomy? If so, it would seem to indicate that it's
not so much PLAY that generates casino offers, but EXISTENCE, and how
hungry the casinos are at a given time. We're in pre-convention
season, and the first part of December is notoriously slow, so this
may be a good time to harvest.

---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The thing I was curious about: is everyone else experiencing this
tidal upsurge in couponomy? If so, it would seem to indicate that it's
not so much PLAY that generates casino offers, but EXISTENCE, and how
hungry the casinos are at a given time. We're in pre-convention
season, and the first part of December is notoriously slow, so this
may be a good time to harvest.

This also goes to why my experiment this summer essentially failed:
for example, I DOUBLED my daily play average as well as my total
coin-in at both the Palms and Sunset Station; as my reward, they cut
my cash mailings in half(!).

Sort of the same here. Having pretty much given up on figuring out the Palms, but their local's mailings to us soared again - about $300 in freeplay alone this month. Our total mailings for the month were the highest ever: about $1800 in cash (freeplay, bounceback, etc) and about $400 in free food. One of these was the mysterious sort you mention: $100 from MGM, despite not having played there in years and having "stiffed" them on three previous mailings - they're sort of like the pathetic ex-girlfriend for which you obtain a restraining order.

So while advantage plays are drying up left and right, lucrative mailings are being crammed into our mailbox at an unpredented rate, and the game goes on.

John

> The thing I was curious about: is everyone else experiencing this
> tidal upsurge in couponomy?

Two strange coupons: (1) We hadn't played at all at Suncoast since they took
the FPDW out, except for one day in mid-October where we went one day out of
boredom and put in less than $1K each on their NSUD. At the end of October
I received the low-level November coupons. John, who played more than I
did, got nothing. (2) We are getting mailings from the Silverton every few
days lately. None of it is worthwhile, but in all of 2003, we went there
one day TO EAT (this was in March!), and put less than $100 on our card.
-- Steve in LV