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Peppermill Security Policy

#1

A friend just related this story to me: He left the poker room for a
smoke break. While standing there smoking his cigarette a guy close by
wrestles a purse away from a lady and takes off running. My friend
tackled the guy and held him for security. Security thanked him for
holding the guy until they got there--and then said "You know, we have
to 86 you." "What?" says my friend. "Yes, that's right. It is our
policy that anyone who touches another patron is 86'ed." They wouldn't
even let him get his money off the poker table.

I think this is a horrible policy. I'm wondering if this is the policy
of all Nevada casinos. If it is I would have to think twice about
trying to help someone in a similar situation.

#2

A friend just related this story to me: He left the poker room for a
smoke break. While standing there smoking his cigarette a guy close

by

wrestles a purse away from a lady and takes off running. My friend
tackled the guy and held him for security. Security thanked him for
holding the guy until they got there--and then said "You know, we

have

to 86 you." "What?" says my friend. "Yes, that's right. It is our
policy that anyone who touches another patron is 86'ed." They

wouldn't

even let him get his money off the poker table.

I think this is a horrible policy. I'm wondering if this is the

policy

of all Nevada casinos. If it is I would have to think twice about
trying to help someone in a similar situation.

What an outrageous policy. Only thing stupider would be if NCY were to
issue a ticket for littering to Sullenberger the US Airways pilot for
landing Flight 1549 in the Hudson River without a permit, lol. Of
course, NY and NJ could have competed for jurisdiction to do so.

I am willing to sign an email petition/complaint to Peppermill
management complaining about this incident.

David

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

#3

The "robber" and the "security officer" probably know each other. My
guess is no police report was filed.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "d_richheimer" <d_richheimer@...> wrote:

I am willing to sign an email petition/complaint to Peppermill
management complaining about this incident.

#4

Please tell me what "86" means? B

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "d_richheimer" <d_richheimer@...>
wrote:

>
> A friend just related this story to me: He left the poker room

for a

> smoke break. While standing there smoking his cigarette a guy

close

by
> wrestles a purse away from a lady and takes off running. My

friend

> tackled the guy and held him for security. Security thanked him

for

> holding the guy until they got there--and then said "You know, we
have
> to 86 you." "What?" says my friend. "Yes, that's right. It is

our

> policy that anyone who touches another patron is 86'ed." They
wouldn't
> even let him get his money off the poker table.
>
> I think this is a horrible policy. I'm wondering if this is the
policy
> of all Nevada casinos. If it is I would have to think twice

about

> trying to help someone in a similar situation.
>
What an outrageous policy. Only thing stupider would be if NCY were

to

issue a ticket for littering to Sullenberger the US Airways pilot

for

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
landing Flight 1549 in the Hudson River without a permit, lol. Of
course, NY and NJ could have competed for jurisdiction to do so.

I am willing to sign an email petition/complaint to Peppermill
management complaining about this incident.

David

#5

I was going to refer you to our Glossary, but the term "86'd" isn't in
there. It means he was told to leave the casino by casino staff. It
is also called being "trespassed" because casinos can have you removed
from their premises for trespassing. It's how casinos can force you
to leave even if you're doing something that is legal, such as card
counting at 21.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rossx_98" <rossx_98@...> wrote:

Please tell me what "86" means? B

#6

That was my first thought too.

What I'm curious to know is whether the friend got the money he left at the
poker table back at any point.

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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:16 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 < nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

   The "robber" and the "security officer" probably know each other. My
guess is no police report was filed.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#7

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

> I am willing to sign an email petition/complaint to Peppermill
> management complaining about this incident.

The "robber" and the "security officer" probably know each other. My
guess is no police report was filed.

Upon thinking about this incident and perusing the internet, there
have been several outrageous incidents by casino security. See the
following page from Stanford Wong's bj21.com:
http://tinyurl.com/d4dp76

More particularly this reminds me of an incident whereby a good
Samaritan who was returning a lost wallet was handcuffed by casino
security. http://tinyurl.com/bvzpd2

While casino have a right to trespass former patron's, there are
certain limitations. Cases have held that the Venetian could not bar
free speech on sidewalks it owned. Self defense is another
constitutional right and the Peppermill may be on dangerous ground
barring a patron for exercising such right.

There was a Nevada Supreme Court case which held in favor of the Gold
Coast Casino, (Nittinger v. Holman, 119 Nev. Adv. Op. No. 24, May 30,
2003), which held that the casino was not liable (for punitive
damages) for security guards' conduct when the security guards were
not supervisory personal and the act was not ratified by the
casino. http://tinyurl.com/bpcop3 I would suggest that the player
in question write to the Peppermill's president, outline the
situation and inquire whether 86ing was and is the act of the casino
or whether the guard exceeded his authority. This could place the
casino between a rock and a hard place, and there is a reasonable
chance management may reinstate the player in order to avoid
potential liability.

The player may want to copy the Las Vegas Review-Journal reporter who
ran the good Samaritan article and perhaps the NRA who has a vested
interest in preserving self defense and citizens' arrests rights.
Even Bill O'Reilly or the ACLU, if he can stomach such. Good luck to
your friend.

David

[The above should not be construed as legal advice in any form.]

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "d_richheimer" <d_richheimer@> wrote:

#8

That was my first thought too.

What I'm curious to know is whether the friend got the money he left

at the

poker table back at any point.

When a player leaves chip and/or money on a poker table and doesn't
return in a timely manner the money is removed by poker room personnel
so a new player can take the seat. The money is held by the room until
the player returns for it.

In this case my friend knows the poker room manager very well so I
don't think he will have a problem recovering it. He could arrange to
send a friend in for it. His real problem is he has a sizeable amount
of money in a Peppermill safe deposit box.

I advised him to do what Bob Stupak did when Becky Binion had him 86'ed
off the Horseshoe property. He had $100,000 deposited in the cage but
she wouldn't let him on the property to get it. So he entered one day
with a gaming agent and got his money.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jayne <jaynedoe13@...> wrote:

#9

To 86 someone is to bar them off your property. The term is mostly
used in bars throughout the U.S. There has been lots of speculation as
to where the term originated but the most plausible is Article 86 of
the New York liquor code which gives the reasons a person may be
removed from a bar.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rossx_98" <rossx_98@...> wrote:

Please tell me what "86" means? B