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#21

> When I read NOTI's post, it was clear to me that "have no
> theoretical" means that Peppermill has arbitrarily assigned a
> theo of "zero" to their advantage games.
>
> vpFae

And that is why I disagree with him; for that to be true, it must mean
the only people playing these machines are knowlegdeable people capable
of playing near computer optimal. The fact is people have been known
playing these machines using short coins and sometimes using sub-
optimal strategy.

What you are describing is the actual return, not the theoretical. The
actual return is the return of a machine on the casino floor. The
theoretical is a value set by the casino on which they base
promotions. It can be but generally is not the same as the actual
return. The actual return varies depending on who's playing the
machine and the random nature of the game. The theoretical is set by
marketing.

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ_Theo.htm

Unless NOTI works for Peppermill, then he is voicing his opinion, and I
am disagreeing with said opinion. Unlike NOTI, I work with manufacturer
(s) that supply the games to Peppermill; I am NOT an employee of said
manufacturers.

I am only voicing my opinion as a gambler, I do not work for
Peppermill or any other casino or any game manufacturer. My only
knowledge of Peppermill operations is that observed by being a customer.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:

#22

Thank you NOTI, and also vpFAE in your post, for your excellent
definitions of "theo".

Though I was familiar with the correct meaning of theo prior
to your posts, your explanations should prove helpful to some
others who evidently are not.

~Babe~

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--In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"wrote:

What you are describing is the actual return, not the
theoretical..........

.........The theoretical is set by marketing.

.........I am only voicing my opinion as a gambler, I do not work
for Peppermill or any other casino or any game manufacturer.

In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@> wrote:

Unless NOTI works for Peppermill, then he is voicing his opinion,
and I am disagreeing with said opinion. Unlike NOTI, I work with
manufacturer(s) that supply the games to Peppermill; I am NOT an
employee of said manufacturers.

#23

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

I am only voicing my opinion as a gambler, I do not work for
Peppermill or any other casino or any game manufacturer. My only
knowledge of Peppermill operations is that observed by being a

customer.

And that my the point. You don't work for Peppermill, therefore you
don't know just like you claims Peppermill only wants people who lose
money.

#24

Sorry, but that's not all NOTI wrote. He has been writing Peppermill
only wants "losers," and he used the theo argument to support his
position.

It's clear to me NOTI has a not so hidden agenda about Peppermill and
he is not shy about it.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@...> wrote:

NOTI is merely reporting that he (and others) aren't getting
any comps for playing Peppermill's better machines.

#25

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe"
<jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

Thank you NOTI, and also vpFAE in your post, for your excellent
definitions of "theo".

Though I was familiar with the correct meaning of theo prior
to your posts, your explanations should prove helpful to some
others who evidently are not.

~Babe~

Babe, based on what you wrote, you are clearly confused. The debate
here is why is some people are getting comps and others not getting
comps from the same machines. People like NOTI is not getting comps
while other are. Clearly, it speaks to the individual players and
not to the individual machines.

The rule in Logic is you just need one example to disprove a theory.
If NOTI's theory is that these machines have no theo because he
himself is not getting comps, then it's very easy to disprove that
theory if you find at least one person who is getting comps from the
same machine.

The problem I have with NOTI is his and other exeperiences do not
MAKE up the entire population. I am getting comps and I shared my
action in a private e-mail to vpfae since I do want to disclose it
publicly. Therefore, the question is: Is the policy at Peppermill
one where NOTI asserts, i.e. the machines have no theo, or it is
otherwise which is my assertion that those machines do have theo.
Logic would dictate NOTI's assertion is false based on my personal
evidence.

Lastly, keep in mind a number of people (besides me) have challenged
NOTI's assertion that Peppermill only want losers. I am sorry NOTI
doesn't have a good experience with Peppermill, but I don't believe
Peppermill deserves NOTI's bad-mouthing.

I hope what I have tried to explain clears up your confusion. In my
book, just because one person can't get comps (same as saying the
machine has no theo) is not sufficient to prove the machine has no
theo since my experience tells me that particular machine has theo.

#26

In response to all this...personally, if you think a casino wants
winners...you must be dreaming.
There's a business to make money...if every single person that walked
out with more money than they came in with...the casino would
literally close its doors within a month!
I may not be a huge player...but I do keep track of what I spend, and
I for one, can verify that I never come home a loser, at worst, I will
come home even because if I'm not, I play until I get back to
even...and since that's the case, I can tell you, I don't really get
any comps anywhere.
But then again, I'll keep my money in my pocket, and pay the minimal
fee (never more than $50 a night) for a hotel room.

#27

NOTI - I'm afraid you are correct in telling the group about the Peppermill, and many experienced players there have suffered tremendous slot club back-off since the new tower was built. I was a winning AVP player , and have not received any promo's or offers from them in over a year. I was ready to chuck my card in the garbage, when I got a call from my ex host formerly of the Atlantis ( whom I have an excellent relation with ) and he's now my new exec host over at the Peppermill and I'm taking him up on his offer for LRFB over the Labor Day Weekend. I'm sure if its a losing trip, the host based offers will continue - but being a winner once again .... well who knows ?

#28

If this is true, it presents another interesting wrinkle: Different
players getting different theoreticals on the same machine.

By the way, do you play at the Peppermill? Seems like given your
business interest there that presents a conflict of interest.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "chungsterama" <chungsty@...> wrote:

I hope what I have tried to explain clears up your confusion. In my
book, just because one person can't get comps (same as saying the
machine has no theo) is not sufficient to prove the machine has no
theo since my experience tells me that particular machine has theo.

#29

"chungsterama" wrote:

> I hope what I have tried to explain clears up your confusion ...
> ... since my experience tells me that particular machine has theo.

nightoftheiguana2000 replied:

If this is true, it presents another interesting wrinkle: Different
players getting different theoreticals on the same machine.

This sounds like Peppermill is discriminating against
individual players (no comps etc. for NOTI and some
others) rather than assigning a "zero" theo to their
better machines.

vpFae

#30

I am going to Reno Sunday for a ten day trip, solo, so will be
amenable to meeting any vpFREE members. Staying at the El Dorado,
perhaps the entire ten days, depending on my play, lol. Feel free to
call my cell 24/7 although early is best, I try to stay on
Dallas time!

    Does anyone know if there is any free wi-fi at any casino in Reno?
I will be taking this laptop.

#31

all the downtown casinos charge.
harrahs diamond lounge does NOT have free use.
don't know about other players lounges.

i was thinking of using the Starbucks wifi on my next trip.
buy a card and use it once, then you can get 2 hours a day
for the next 30 days. but i don't know if the casino SBs
have wifi -- i do know that they do not accept the cards.
in july they were closing the SB down the street --
try checking the web site for a location.

if you have AT&T dsl (higher levels) you can use the SB or
McDonalds wifi for free.
DonSubject: [vpFREE_Reno] Upcoming Reno trip and Wi-fi question

Does anyone know if there is any free wi-fi at any casino in Reno? I will be taking this laptop

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#32

The Atlantis has free wi fi throughout the property.

Does anyone know if there is any free wi-fi at any casino in Reno? I

will be taking this laptop

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#33

While staying at the Peppermill one time was able to access free wi-fi
courtesy the Vagabond Inn down the street.

#34

Fitzgeralds has free Wi-Fi, as well as you can pick up WiFi from St.
Mary's hospital if you're close enough (while staying in a Sky Tower
room at CircusCircus, we were close enough)

#35

really? that's new - last time i stayed there, wifi was $10 or $12 per night.

siena has free wifi in the rooms, but it's a pretty flaky connection.

cheers,

five

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On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Jonathan <diversified_slave@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Atlantis has free wi fi throughout the property.

#36

Not in the rooms - they charge $9.99 a day.

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <diversified_slave@...>
wrote:

The Atlantis has free wi fi throughout the property.
>
> Does anyone know if there is any free wi-fi at any casino in Reno?

I

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will be taking this laptop.