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Peppermill and the "2341 key"

#1

There’s a pretty good story posted over on the Reno-VPFree Section. It should have been re-posted here but I’m sure everyone here is a member of Reno too so I suggest you go read it. Apparently management at Peppermill Reno sent someone around town to “2341 key” its competition. (look it up lol)

Which brings me to that, the 2341 key. I never heard of it before. But a quick google showed me that you can buy one easily for a few bucks. Apparently this key is used to just “read” or analyze the play history and hold/percent return of most slot machines. Well well well. Hmmmm. We’ve discussed many times about the “mystery” of slot machines and their hold. I’m getting ideas of buying one of these keys and seeing how it works. I should test it at the El Cortez or some similar “friendly” place so I won’t get beat up when they back-room me.

Seriously, what does anyone here know about this 2341 key? I wanna know more. lol And go read that article. They got fined a million bucks. ouch!

#2

You get caught inserting a key into a slot machine in any casino and your going to jail. Have no idea how an employee of another casino could insert a key into a machine without surveillance catching him once. You would be charged with a variety of crimes, all felonies.

#3

He was doing it since 2011. I’m not surprised in the least. People (APs) give surveillance WAY too much credit. Surveillance people are NOT masters of the universe with cat-like reflexes - they’re up there goofing off at work, talking about last nights Lakers game and whether it’s going to rain tomorrow or not, just like the rest of us :-).

Besides, most surveillance keeps an eye on internal, back of house operations since (on a monetary scale) that’s where the greatest risk really lies.

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On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:02 PM, <vpkin…@…com> wrote:

You get caught inserting a key into a slot machine in any casino and your going to jail. Have no idea how an employee of another casino could insert a key into a machine without surveillance catching him once. You would be charged with a variety of crimes, all felonies.

#4

There must be a lot more to it that so far is being covered up. Hopefully the GWAE legal investigative team is all over it. Did they key the foothill Indians (Thunder Valley, Red Hawk, Jackson Rancheria), Carson-Tahoe, or Vegas casinos? Did they key Dotty’s and other “locals casinos/poker bars”? It can’t just be to get the slot return settings, the wizard has been showing how to get that info legally for some time now:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/hot-roll/

#5

Maybe keying a slot machine isn’t illegal? The Chron reports: “The Peppermill issued a statement saying the conduct was a regulatory violation rather than illegal, but added that it was taking full responsibility for the actions of its executives.”

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Peppermill-faces-1M-fine-for-slot-machine-spying-5235491.php

#6

If you read the whole article by the Wizard of Odds you see that he has a disclaimer in Final Analysis section saying that his returns are estimates because he doesn’t know the exact reel weights. I think this means that the return value can be changed without anybody being able to figure it out without keying the machine.