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dealt a hand such as Qs Js 9s 8h 4c, how many penalties
are there for the QJ suited? Is the 9s both a straight
and a flush penalty?
More specific question:
Strategy chart is -
Suited QJ, 1-2 Pen
Suited QJ9
Suited QJ, 3 Pen
If dealt Ah Qs Js 9s 5d, what do you hold?
Thanks.
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Rita wrote:
More specific question:
Strategy chart is -
Suited QJ, 1-2 Pen
Suited QJ9
Suited QJ, 3 Pen
If dealt Ah Qs Js 9s 5d, what do you hold?
The expected choice here would be QJ9, since there are 3 penalties to
the QJ (again, the 9s acts as both a straight and flush penalty).
I'll note, though, that strategy charts are a general set of rules
and, on infrequent occasions, optimal play of certain hands can call
for a hold that varies from the chart.
You don't identify the specific game/paytable so it's difficult to
say, but that could be the case here if the general value of the
suited QJ - 3 Pen is very close to the Suited QJ9 value.
In any event, keep in mind that the additional EV added by taking on a
penalty based strategy is truly nominal - usually less than .01%.
It's a decent pursuit if you're looking to make the game a little more
interesting by adding a challenge. But don't let that challenge
divert you from ensuring that your basic strategy play is as strong as
possible. (FWIW, I generally stick to a "penalty free" strategy.)
- Harry
I seem to be missing something here.
The EV of holding the QJ in the situation below is .592.
The EV of holding the QJ9 in the situation below is .724
If I change the hand so that it is QJ9 suited with a 2 4 off suit,
the QJ9 still has a higher EV, yet if I'm reading the strategy chart
in the post below, it would indicate that the QJ should play? I'm
assuming full pay JOB.
I can't come up with a situation where the QJ suited outplays the
QJ9 suited when you look at the specific expected value of that hand
(not at a strategy table).
What am I doing wrong?
Kil
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wrote:
Rita wrote:
> More specific question:
> Strategy chart is -
> Suited QJ, 1-2 Pen
> Suited QJ9
> Suited QJ, 3 Pen
> If dealt Ah Qs Js 9s 5d, what do you hold?The expected choice here would be QJ9, since there are 3 penalties
to
the QJ (again, the 9s acts as both a straight and flush penalty).
I'll note, though, that strategy charts are a general set of rules
and, on infrequent occasions, optimal play of certain hands can
call
for a hold that varies from the chart.
You don't identify the specific game/paytable so it's difficult to
say, but that could be the case here if the general value of the
suited QJ - 3 Pen is very close to the Suited QJ9 value.In any event, keep in mind that the additional EV added by taking
on a
penalty based strategy is truly nominal - usually less than .01%.
It's a decent pursuit if you're looking to make the game a little
more
interesting by adding a challenge. But don't let that challenge
divert you from ensuring that your basic strategy play is as
strong as
possible. (FWIW, I generally stick to a "penalty free" strategy.)
- Harry
kilroydq2 wrote:
I seem to be missing something here.
The EV of holding the QJ in the situation below is .592.
The EV of holding the QJ9 in the situation below is .724... I'm assuming full pay JOB.
I can't come up with a situation where the QJ suited outplays the
QJ9 suited when you look at the specific expected value of that hand
(not at a strategy table).What am I doing wrong?
Rita hasn't specified the game/paytable so it's not possible to make
the measurements/comparisons that you're seeking to make here.
- H.