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Pechanga - nice casino, big, but lots of room

I hadn’t been here in quite a while, I was mainly checking out the poker action upstairs.

The vp-inventory is very current.

MOST of the vp machines I checked had at least 9/6 JB game on them.

BTW - Also, all of the multigames had VP (poker), Keno, Slots (like Super Race 8, Rhino), and BlackJack on them. So when the casino gets crowded, sometimes it is harder to find a low-denom machine, due to players who like Keno/BlackJack/slots playing those games instead.

Some are shortpay on other games, but most (if they are the IGT/Mulit-game Game Kings) have:
9/6 JB, 8/5 Bonus Pkr, 99.45 % Bonus DW game, 15-9 ugly dw game (98.9), 9/7 DB, 9/6 DDB, and
slightly under 99% (Bonus pkr deluxe 8/6, Triple Bonus Plus 8/5 with 100-1SF, )

No marginally playable JW in games I checked.

The .05-.10-.25-$1 multigames were mainly in the casino I would describe as the 'main ’ casino, surrounding the ‘Round Bar’ (with large stairs or escalators that go to the upstairs Bingo Hall or Poker room).

The slants by Main Cage / or ‘to the left’, outside High Limit area, also were fullpay games listed in .25-.50, $1-$2 denom. (listed only as .25-.50 on vpFree inventory currently).

(which I would describe as in a separate area between the ‘North’ casino / north self parking garage casino in a corridor that has 2 sides (1 hallway also has entrance to a theatre/box-office), the other side is closer and leads to the main cashier.

I basically found banks of mostly uprights in 2 types:
.05-.10-.25-$1 or .25-.50-$1-$2 for lower limit players. I didn’t scout out the higher denom games.

Unfortunately on ALL these VP games, I think they are set to $5/pt, and it takes 1000 pts / $1 in comps or freeplay. So .002% (very minimal). i.e. .01c per $50 vp played. It’ll take a long time to earn much in terms of bonus comps --but for a SoCal casino, pretty good vp, considering competition (Only Pala has similar, but at $1 denom and higher).

I did find an ‘alcove’ of 5+5+5+5 (20 total) uprights with the sign above the alcove reading (POKER - KENO)
These were in the North Garage casino, just before you reach the gift shop/main corridor leading to theatre and main slot club. It can get quite smoky there (lower ceiling), when smokers present.

The round bar only had 9/6 JB as best fullpay game in .25 and higher, other games shorter pay.
That area got fairly busy in the afternoons, as players like to drink/watch sports while playing vp at the bar.

The whole casino is super huge (at 188,000 - over 200,000 sq ft! and listed at 3400 machines on some websites. They also have a huge $285M expansion project (mainly for 2nd hotel tower and big RV park/swimming pool and convention events area).

But, due to the next nearest casino being 15miles away (Pala), and bussed in groups from Riverside/Orange/and Los Angeles counties, even Sunday afternoons gets pretty busy.

I’m glad their parking garage is huge (think South Pointe or larger), not quite like MGM size, but they should get one that big! However, layout is convenient, as all decks have stairs that lead to nice walkway leading to the ‘north’ casino entrance- which has 2 man-made ponds/mini water falls in the front.

It is easy to get lost , but if you keep in mind there are basically ‘2’ main casinos, and they are both very large ‘boxes’, then you can get your orientation - the Round Bar casino is bigger than the North Casino (but both are very large, relatively speaking).

Live Poker: 54 table room - HUGE- but airy (high ceilings, nice ventilation, and SMOKE-FREE).

Other than some stiff chairs (but they provide free seat cushions!), very nice room to play in.

Poker room promos are okay for SoCal -but rakes are tough to beat ($3+$1 blinds in 3/6 and higher games, with extra $1 rake for house promotions or $5/pot total, no matter what is in the pots).

2/4 no kill game is $2+$1 blinds, and $4 total rake from all pots, assuming there is a ‘flop’.

Promotions vary by month, usually 2 days per month are high hands every hour paid (Top 3 in Hold’em)-$200-150-100 (I’ve yet to make one).

However, easy qualifiers : only 1 hole card has to play, you can ‘flop’ the winner, and just show the dealer if you bet and others fold their hands… Jacks full or better.

With 54 total tables, I counted 7-10 live games going at the beginning of this promotion (Sunday) noon, every hour until 11pm. I lasted until 6pm, too tired to play longer. At the peak, about 18 live games were going - all 9 handed max (10 were NL games). 3 Omaha games (Omaha players - check rules ) - Pechanga deals a weird 5 card Omaha game (so 5 hole cards to start with)? I think only 8-handed, as 9-handed would deal out the whole deck! including flop and burn card(s). I’ll have to watch that game next time to report on it.

Omaha only has 1 top high hand hourly $100.

Tournaments are run pretty well - but they do have all players pay ‘antes’ - just like in WSOP, after 3 levels!

So lower buy-in tournaments, you don’t have many chips.

I’d always try the $40 and higher buy-in tournaments (4000 min starting chips). Extra $5 for dealer tips gives you extra $1000 in tournament chips. Some are rebuys / add-ons, varies by day.

Generallly good TV screens on the walls indicating total players in the tournament/total chips in play, tournament blinds/levels, etc.

You get a randomly assigned table/seat when you buy-in to the tournaments at their poker room ‘cashier’ window/cage.

PS - Like most Indian/SoCal casinos - alcoholic drinks are not free, even if you are playing at machine or table games. There is a player poker room menu, but plenty of other options in the casino too - food court, 24 hr cafe, buffet, 2 Asian restaurants and a few others.

If I ever build up some comps ($1/hour in poker, $1.50 in higher limit games), I may check them out sometime.

All info on their website : google Pechanga casino resort.

That’s all for now.

Martin

Excellent report! You really put some work into it. Thank you.

—In vpFREE_Califor…@…com, <mm4vegasvp@…> wrote :

I hadn’t been here in quite a while, I was mainly checking out the poker action upstairs.

Hi again, SoCal players:

I was asked to research the ‘VP in bartops’ a little more thoroughly, and I can confirm that vpFree is accurate.

Cabaret Bar has the most bartops (maybe 12-20 machines), but know that it may be too noisy to play comfortably when the ‘lounge/dancefloor’ has live bands/DJ playing.

This bar is in the North Casino side/corner - nearest to the North Parking garage (and only garage available for now, while the south/west sides are under construction with the huge hotel/resort/RV-park and remodeled pool areas). Construction probably scheduled well into 2017.

The little Acorn bar (raised bar, just outside the Great Oak Steakhouse) has only about 7-8 machines available.

Both of these bartops are in the standard multi-denom: .25-.50-$1-$2 with the highest e.v. games as 9/6 JB, Bonus DW, followed by fullpay 8/5 BP and 9/7 DB, then 9/6 DDB and 15-9 ugly DW.

Other games shortpay : 8/6 Bonus Deluxe, 8/5 Triple Bonus Plus game.

The ROUND Bar (in main casino) only has .25/$1 PROG RF games on them - all shortpay like 8/5 JB, 7/5BP etc.

The .25-.50-$1-$2 multigames are mostly in "Multi-Games/GameKing’ type uprights; Only 1 bank of slanttops that I found are in a row, near the cage/security booth, just past high limit areas.

In fact, now that I finally found a phamplet with a ‘map’ of the casino- I can describe this as the main area where most of these games are, in various upright banks nearby. If you see other games like Ultimate X, All-Star Poker machines, you are probably in the right area.

If you were to enter from the North Parking garage casino entrance, head straight back (long walk) through the North casino, and then make a left turn towards the Round Bar/main casino. You’ll pass restrooms (on the right) and the High Limit tables/machines area on your left. Then as you enter the casino, a security desk, cage, and club Pechanga booth will be on the right.

Nearby, in the casino, you should see the long row of about 8+8 slanttops. Slightly to their left in a long row of uprights with signage “Pechanga Quarters” or "Pechanga Poker " (they seemed to use both for ‘advertising arches over the banks of the machines, in the usual neon-casino lit signage’).

Towards the right between casino-valet entrance and cage, with nearby table games are most of these smaller groups of 3+3 nearby (a little more crowded) uprights. Table games also nearby, so area can get noisy.

This whole part of the casino is ‘smoking’, by the way. There is a large section marked as ‘Non-Smoking’ (although how it’s enforced is hard to say, as it blends in with the regular main casino).

This is outside the section of the Food Court area, with restrooms nearby, and a new Asian restaurant called Bamboo. There are 2 scattered banks of Uprights in these areas with lower denom available as : .05-.10-.25 and $1. Same basic 6 games as on vpFree inventory.

There is a 3rd (longest) bank of lower-denom uprights, with 2 large support columns (square) separating the last 2 machines on each side from the rest of the long row. Best way to describe it’s location is 'underneath, past the escalator (that leads to upstairs poker room from outside Round bar area- vs the big sweeping stairs that are more visible.

Or - as I discovered, instead of walking ‘through’ the various slots scattered in the casino areas, walk directiy from the center Round bar, using main casino aisle walkways (unobstructed by machines, but more busy with people if crowded!). Head out to the outer walkway, and if you walk the length of it, as you pass Bamboo, Food Court areas, and even Casino Valet entrance, back to the security desk, then to other hallway that leads back to the North Casino (on theatre/box office side, which also has a 2nd Club Pechanga booth).

Anyways, AS you do this outside perimeter walk, if you look back towards the round bar, you should pass various slot machines, but look for the long row of upright banks that might be marked/signage as “Keno”, but are really Mulit-games with Keno, Video-poker (poker) and other games on them. These same banks have the vp as described in vp-inventory.

The last main inventory of these machines (vs ‘scattered’) can be described as in an ‘alcove’ (low ceiling) that for some reason has large words across the top of the alcove stating “POKER - KENO” (maybe at one time this was just a live poker room area with Keno?).

This is back in the North Casino, in the corner where 1st hallway connects to the Round Bar/Main casino (along which is the other side of the High Limit area). It is also kitty corner /nearby the Pechanga giftshop, and a security booth /cage is close by. You’ll see these 20 machines (in rows of 5 + 5 each) in the clearly marked alcove with signage as “POKER - KENO” above.

That’s all from Pechanga. Love the casino (very upscale/modern style). The main ‘Round Bar’ casino has some ceiling/decor with trees/acorn tree design. Machines are very modern, and of the more updated - slightly oversize vs smaller vp-screen. Unfortunately, this can slow play down somewhat, as the hold buttons are not too close together, like on older / smaller IGT GameKings. These are of the more modern, slightly oversize versions.

Some of those newer ‘squat-larger width’ semi-slanttops are also in the smoking areas near table games (3+3) banks as described earlier. i.e. - some banks are taller, some are more ‘squat-wider’ screen width. A mix of the newest, and semi-new machines.

Trivia - Historical note: The one long row of slanttops with current IGT multigames housed as (VP/keno?- i think) are the same basic ‘cabinets’ that used to hold their former Class II style vp. It brings back memories, as I recall first learning 9/6 JB, and the games seemed legit at the time. The card images reminded me of some of the earlier models of machines I had played in Reno, NV at one time. Not with high resolution, so the pixels/reds-blacks of each card were like block numbers/letters (J-Q-K-A). The value of winners were also in some kind of ‘linked’ player pool, but very close to the 9/6 paytables we now know (in fact, sometimes, when the banks got busy with more live vp-play, if you happen to hit a winner that hadn’t hit in a while (ST-FL-FH) for example, it paid off slightly more. I don’t remember if the Royal prog crept up much, but again- being Class II style game, I never played it for more than nickels - just for fun. It probably was avail in .25 and $1, but I didn’t venture, wasn’t even a .25 player at the time. (in fact - I mainly went there to play a 21/live table promotion - when every BlackJack qualified you for a bonus, based on the next upcard you received - this was quite lucrative, as I recall winning a few hundred at the time, for $5 min bet game, plus the side commision required by law at the time (.50c/hand, I think). It was only offered for a few hours, and 1 or 2 offweeknights, but it was worth the drive!

Stay wise in your recreational play out there.

Obviously, with only .002% comps or freeplay ($1 per $5000 coin-in, or value of 1pt per $5 played, and 1000 pts = $1 comp/freeplay value), there really isn’t anything I found for recreational level players - but perhaps $1 and up SoCal regulars can comment if they’ve received any benefits (like hotel rooms!) or other bounceback to make it more worthwhile to pursue. In the brochure, it’s listed as Club Dollars available to use for “EasyPlay” or Comp Dollars to use 'at any one of your favorite Pechanga outlets". Also can be used to enjoy 'Pechanga’s many amenities - golf, rooms, dining, gas". (They have both a resort golf course nearby and a gas station on site.

Occaisonally/rarely - Multipoint days might be offered. I see that for July 2016, for example, on Tuesdays only from 4pm-8pm, depending on your card level, you can earn 4x Club dollars (basic Silver), 5x (Gold-at 50K pts, or $250K coin in VP), 8x (Platinum = 200K PTS or $1Million coin in 6 months!), or 10x (Red level (350K PTS, or 1.7M coin in 6 months!). At 10x pts, it’s still only .2% ($1/500). Even Gold (5x) would be .1% ($1/1000), and only for the 4 hours during promotion listed above.

Additionally on Fridays in July, 8am- 12am/midnight, every 1000 pts played gives you a ‘random’ U-Spin bonus (activate on slot reader kiosk at your machine) for "$10 up to $1000 in EasyPlay (freeplay).
Play an additional 4000 pts for up to “$50 - $5000” in EasyPlay. Limited to ‘slots and reels’ - so check/visit slot club for details (VP may be excluded?). The U-Spin bonus worked for me as a one-time returning member bonus (I got the mininum/$10 freeplay).

I read on the slot club brochure that they (like Viejas) calculate your ‘card level’ based on 6 months play (vs rolliing 12 months - like B-Connected that I’m more familiar with). Jan 1- June 30, and July 1-Dec 31 every year. So theoretically, you could hit a higher tier/card level , but drop down, if your play in separate 6 month play period isn’t equivalent or higher.

Hope this wasn’t too long to read, and until something new shows up, I won’t be likely to report again on Pechanga.

I am looking forward to Jamul’s (closer to home) new opening of the partner Penn Gaming “HOLLYWOOD Casino” - no details yet, but they are spending a ton of $$ on local advertising - billboards, buswraps and even our MTS Trolleys (wraps like those on hotels like the big Brittany Spears on Planet Hollywood or Donny/Marie on the Flamingo windows). All show various images of Hollywood Casino - staiting “Premier Opening Soon” or somesuch. Supposed to open later this summer 2016 (so maybe in Aug?- but certainly by Sept 21, as that techincally would be the last day of summer).

Best to keep eyes/ears open for news on this (I’m sure it’ll be in local newspapers/TV) when they do open.
Being that the MLB All-Star game is in SD this year, they did use the oppt’y (not sure if at the MLB festivities this weekend), but in an earlier ad/news - mentioning their sports bar/grill as being called the Tony Gwynn Sportsbar. We’ll have to wait and see how things develop - i.e - whether they will open with playable vp games and/or poker. What will their slot club benefits be like? And will the roadways be clear, or cause a major traffic jam? I will probably wait until grand-opening crowds diminish before I check it all out later.

Closest competition is Sycuan (which already has a pretty good poker room, so not sure if they’ll compete, but I think they could, since Viejas poker room has closed). Then Viejas- for regular casino slot/table player crowds, followed by Barona, and maybe Golden Acorn.

i.e - this will have to draw from the San Diego region for the same customers, vs the North County casinos and Pechanga (Temecula), which technically is just north of San Diego county in neighboring Riverside county.

Martin

Thanks for another detailed trip report, Martin. And let's hope Hollywood Casino Jamul turns out to be worthwhile whenever it does open.