Just left the Palms about an hour or so ago. They had told us earlier that as soon as the royal progressive was hit, they would be shutting down the whole bank. Someone hit the royal and we were immediately asked to cash out. We left - don't know what the change will be, but I will guess it won't be for the better.
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Still out of service circa 10am today, Tuesday.
Just left the Palms about an hour or so ago. They had told us earlier that
as soon as the royal progressive was hit, they would be shutting down the
whole bank. Someone hit the royal and we were immediately asked to cash
out. We left - don't know what the change will be, but I will guess it
won't be for the better.
This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
Palms employees told me last week that management was
not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
machines so changes were coming.
I guess they were right.
Bill
Palms Moderator
--- Richard Gordon <theolflash@cox.net> wrote:
Still out of service circa 10am today, Tuesday.
> Just left the Palms about an hour or so ago. They
had told us earlier
> that
> as soon as the royal progressive was hit, they
would be shutting down the
> whole bank. Someone hit the royal and we were
immediately asked to cash
> out. We left - don't know what the change will
be, but I will guess it
> won't be for the better.
>
>
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if true this may be the first instance that floor employees knew what
management was thinking...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
Palms employees told me last week that management was
not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
machines so changes were coming.I guess they were right.
Bill
Palms Moderator
--- Richard Gordon <theolflash@...> wrote:> Still out of service circa 10am today, Tuesday.
>
>
> > Just left the Palms about an hour or so ago. They
> had told us earlier
> > that
> > as soon as the royal progressive was hit, they
> would be shutting down the
> > whole bank. Someone hit the royal and we were
> immediately asked to cash
> > out. We left - don't know what the change will
> be, but I will guess it
> > won't be for the better.
> >
> >
>
>
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you all the tools to get online.
This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
Palms employees told me last week that management was
not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
machines so changes were coming.I guess they were right.
Bill
Palms Moderator
--- Richard Gordon <theolflash@...> wrote:> Still out of service circa 10am today, Tuesday.
>
>
> > Just left the Palms about an hour or so ago. They
> had told us earlier
> > that
> > as soon as the royal progressive was hit, they
> would be shutting down the
> > whole bank. Someone hit the royal and we were
> immediately asked to cash
> > out. We left - don't know what the change will
> be, but I will guess it
> > won't be for the better.
> >
> >
>
>Burn out artists. That's putting it mildly. There was a couple of
girls playing that would never even take a break if they had a Port
O Potty next to the bank. I'm surprised they did put down inflatable
mattresses so they would never have to leave.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
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Some people are so economy minded you will never be able to reach them
as to the error of their ways. I'd really like to discuss a few names
here, but c'mon, $1 10-7? Even with an avg edge of 1.4 or so %?
I remember some guy once shoving me out of the way to get on when the
Aces were 1100, then giving me some BS answer why he shoved me out of
the way to get to the machine. Yes, shoved me out of the way.
This play lasted for almost 5 months, about 4 longer than I thought it
would. Y'all should be thanking the Maloofs profusely for the
opportunity.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
Palms employees told me last week that management was
not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
machines so changes were coming.I guess they were right.
LOL. Burnout artists? a.k.a. intelligent gamblers? You make them
sound so sleazy. A "band?" Like playing them less has moral
superiority? I can't imagine these machines showing a profit for the
Palms, at least once their opportunity cost is included. They should
have been changed a long time ago, regardless of who was playing them.
This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
Palms employees told me last week that management was
not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
machines so changes were coming.I guess they were right.
Bill
Palms Moderator
--- Richard Gordon <theolflash@cox.net> wrote:Still out of service circa 10am today, Tuesday.
> Just left the Palms about an hour or so ago. They
had told us earlier
> that
> as soon as the royal progressive was hit, they
would be shutting down the
> whole bank. Someone hit the royal and we were
immediately asked to cash
> out. We left - don't know what the change will
be, but I will guess it
> won't be for the better.
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
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Economy minded? What error? I'm afraid I just don't get this
personalizing of why machines get taken out. The smartest people were
those who played them the most. It's their job to burn plays out.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
Palms employees told me last week that management was
not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
machines so changes were coming.I guess they were right.
Some people are so economy minded you will never be able to reach them
as to the error of their ways. I'd really like to discuss a few names
here, but c'mon, $1 10-7? Even with an avg edge of 1.4 or so %?
This play lasted for almost 5 months, about 4 longer than I thought it
would. Y'all should be thanking the Maloofs profusely for the
opportunity.
---5 months? More like 5 years. Been there since they opened. Why would they
change it now? Slowest meters I have ever seen.
Scot
Yes, economy minded, as in "never leaving anything on the table", even
though they have zero street smarts. One of the regulars on the game
burned down a VBJ play at Binions, because he insisted on letting the
bet ride until he hit a W2-G. This play had gone on for months, very
quietly until he showed up. Then, same regular was pounding away on a
$5 5-line Jacks with 1% cb in Northern NV, when the casino he was
playing in took $300 bets max in the pit, and offered a .25 50-play
Jacks which would have lasted forever if not for him and the other
Vegas-based burnout artist pounding away. He got his account pulled,
and then trespassed when playing his girlfriend's card.
I'll be honest with you, I have a few friends in the Vegas VP
community, but generally don't care for most of them, probably because
most of them, most generously, are at best C talents at advantage
play. Getting shoved out of the way when the Aces were 1100 was
probably one of that player's best all time moves. There is this
industrial mentality as you refer to, if you don't burn something down
first, someone else will. Well, outside of Vegas, it's a different
ballgame.
I was discussing with an AC pro today what happened at the Rainbow in
Henderson when Anthony Curtis let it be known on LVA they had dollar
Deuces and Joker a couple of years ago. The game lasted two weeks.
They're playing dollar single line for < 1% and they're going to go
out and torch it (actually, if you want anything torched, call the
Advisor).
Frankly, I could probably make close to $10K/month playing Vegas
exclusively, with the occasional Reno trip thrown in, but I do a lot
better playing the markets I currently play in (both tourist and local
LV among them). I don't have to burn anything down, either.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <madameguyon@...> wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@> wrote:
>>
>> This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
>> who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
>> Palms employees told me last week that management was
>> not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
>> machines so changes were coming.
>>
>> I guess they were right.
>
>Some people are so economy minded you will never be able to reach them
>as to the error of their ways. I'd really like to discuss a few names
>here, but c'mon, $1 10-7? Even with an avg edge of 1.4 or so %?Economy minded? What error? I'm afraid I just don't get this
personalizing of why machines get taken out. The smartest people were
those who played them the most. It's their job to burn plays out.
---5 months? More like 5 years. Been there since they opened. Why
would they change it now? Slowest meters I have ever seen.
Scot
True, up until 5 months ago, when the meter was sped up substantially.
Very substantially.
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@...> wrote:
True, up until 5 months ago, when the meter was sped up substantially.
Very substantially.
Don the Dentist
---Really? How did I miss that? Why did they speed the meters up? Mistake?
Why didn't they just slow them back down to the former crawl? Was it that
good of a play now?
Scot
"it is their job to burn them out".
This is a case of long term vs. short term. Would you rather make (as an example, probably not reality) $2,000 for a month, or $1,000 a month for a year? I will take the long run. I know there will be an argument to this.
Cheers!
Bonnie
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Robertson
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Palms Change coming in $1 DB Prog
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@...>
wrote:
---Really? How did I miss that? Why did they speed the meters up?
Mistake? Why didn't they just slow them back down to the former
crawl? Was it that good of a play now?
--------------------------------------------------------------
Really? Yes
How did I miss that? Many missed it initially, myself included.
Why did they speed the meters up? Mistake? Hard to say it was a
mistake since the play lasted so long.
Why didn't they just slow them back down to the former crawl? The
machines were still out of service yesterday. Maybe they will slow
the meter back down.
Was it that good of a play? Yes
Don the Dentist
It was frequently a 2% play, and if it was the right time of day you
could actually get on. Anytime you can freeroll the royal, it's a
strong play.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@>
wrote:> ---Really? How did I miss that? Why did they speed the meters up?
Mistake? Why didn't they just slow them back down to the former
crawl? Was it that good of a play now?
--------------------------------------------------------------Really? Yes
How did I miss that? Many missed it initially, myself included.
Why did they speed the meters up? Mistake? Hard to say it was a
mistake since the play lasted so long.Why didn't they just slow them back down to the former crawl? The
machines were still out of service yesterday. Maybe they will slow
the meter back down.Was it that good of a play? Yes
I just received a call from a very reliable source reporting
that the $1 10/7 DB progressives are back in service.
Still a 5 way progressive, don't know about the meter speed.
vpFae
vpFae wrote:
I just received a call from a very reliable source reporting
that the $1 10/7 DB progressives are back in service.
Still a 5 way progressive, don't know about the meter speed.vpFae
One half of its recent rate
Gamb00ler
I'm with you, Bonnie. There is a level of immorality/stupidity to
focusing on short term gains. Immorality in the sense of "I don't
care about anyone else, I'm in it for myself" and stupidity in the
sense of if they took the long approach they could make more money.
I guess you can't expect either from the slash and burners. Kind of
reminds me of US Corporate-think. Short term profits vs. long term
sustainable economy.
Chauncey
"it is their job to burn them out".
This is a case of long term vs. short term. Would you rather make
(as an example, probably not reality) $2,000 for a month, or $1,000 a
month for a year? I will take the long run. I know there will be an
argument to this.
Cheers!
Bonnie
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But that wasn't the case with this bank at the Palms. And there
shouldn't be an argument. "Slashing and burning" was the only right
way to go. There's nothing immoral or stupid about it. No one who
played this bank could have made more in the long run by playing it
less in the short run. The only conceivable alternative of getting
about 40 regular players to all agree to play it less was a little on
the unfeasible side. It would be more moral to warn the Palms that
they're going to lose money on the bank than it would be to play it
less when 39 competitors will be there to take your place. "Short
term vs. long term" is relevant to situations in which the volume of
one person's (or a small enough group of players among whom an
agreement about volume of play is feasible) play can make a
significant difference in the play's longevity, such as if this bank
were in, say, Ely.
I'm with you, Bonnie. There is a level of immorality/stupidity to
focusing on short term gains. Immorality in the sense of "I don't
care about anyone else, I'm in it for myself" and stupidity in the
sense of if they took the long approach they could make more money.
I guess you can't expect either from the slash and burners. Kind of
reminds me of US Corporate-think. Short term profits vs. long term
sustainable economy.Chauncey
"it is their job to burn them out".
This is a case of long term vs. short term. Would you rather make
(as an example, probably not reality) $2,000 for a month, or $1,000 a
month for a year? I will take the long run. I know there will be an
argument to this.Cheers!
Bonnie
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>>
>> This was probably due to the band of burnout artists
>> who were playing for 10+ hours per day. A few of the
>> Palms employees told me last week that management was
>> not happy with the same crowd hanging out on these
>> machines so changes were coming.
>>
>> I guess they were right.
>
>Some people are so economy minded you will never be able to reach them
>as to the error of their ways. I'd really like to discuss a few names
>here, but c'mon, $1 10-7? Even with an avg edge of 1.4 or so %?Economy minded? What error? I'm afraid I just don't get this
personalizing of why machines get taken out. The smartest people were
those who played them the most. It's their job to burn plays out.Yes, economy minded, as in "never leaving anything on the table", even
though they have zero street smarts. One of the regulars on the game
burned down a VBJ play at Binions, because he insisted on letting the
bet ride until he hit a W2-G. This play had gone on for months, very
quietly until he showed up. Then, same regular was pounding away on a
$5 5-line Jacks with 1% cb in Northern NV, when the casino he was
playing in took $300 bets max in the pit, and offered a .25 50-play
Jacks which would have lasted forever if not for him and the other
Vegas-based burnout artist pounding away. He got his account pulled,
and then trespassed when playing his girlfriend's card.
I assumed, by "economy minded," you meant "frugal," since the first
time I saw you use the phrase was in your message about Jean and, as
far as I know, Jean isn't a "burnout artist." I'd call the behavior
in your examples "short sighted," not "frugal" or "economy minded."
When there's enough competition, one shouldn't leave anything on the
table and I don't see how the examples you gave are comparable to the
Palms. No individual could have significantly extended that play by
playing less.
I'll be honest with you, I have a few friends in the Vegas VP
community, but generally don't care for most of them, probably because
most of them, most generously, are at best C talents at advantage
play. Getting shoved out of the way when the Aces were 1100 was
probably one of that player's best all time moves. There is this
industrial mentality as you refer to, if you don't burn something down
first, someone else will. Well, outside of Vegas, it's a different
ballgame.
I assume so. But I don't see how that's not a difference entirely in
type of situation, not in mentality. If there were 40 pros in
Winnemucca and a casino there put in what the Palms put in, I doubt
any of them would try to leave anything on the table, either, and I
think they'd be just as wrong if they did as if anyone had done that
at the Palms.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <madameguyon@...> wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@> wrote: