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Palace Station Keno

#1

I spent the day yesterday at Palace Station while my car was being
repaired, so picked up the Keno materials. Thanks to
nightoftheiguano, who referred me to an online calculator, the return
calculations were very easy for these games. These are the regular
Keno games, not the Five and Dime games.
1 spot: 75%
2 spot: 72.2%
3 spot: 72.2%
4 spot: 74.1%
5 spot: 68.9%
6 spot: Jumbo Pick6 Progressive
   At $2500 Reset: 69.4%
   At $4625: 100%
   (It was at $2787 on my visit)
7 spot: Jumbo Pick7 Progressive
   At $10,000 Reset: 69.4%
   At $22,500: 100%
   (It was at $12,536 on my visit)
8 spot: Jumbo Pick8 Progressive
   At $50,000 Reset: 72.7%
   At $112,800: 100%
   (It was at $59,288 on my visit)
9 spot: Jumbo Pick9 Progressive
   At $60,000 Reset: 70.2%
   At $471,000: 100%
   (It was at $69,703 on my visit)
10 spot: 70.1%
12 spot: 67.9%
15 spot: 70.0%

Conclusion: Poor returns, like the Wynn, but in some cases slightly
higher. Note the huge increase in the progressive to get to 100% on
the 9 spot. The only 2 progressives I can see ever getting to 100%
are the 6spot and 7spot, but it probably very rare.

I think the best chance of winning here is to document the numbers,
looking for repeated numbers in successive games. It appeared to me
the machine sometimes will repeat numbers in successive games. For
example, the numbers 29, 39, 40, 50, 59, 69 repeated in two
successive games. Four of these numbers repeated in 4 successive
games. If anyone makes a big hit based on this tip, I want a finders
fee (just joking).

#2

You may want to check out the Video Keno progressives right next to the regular Keno. When I was there the 7/7 was positive
at ( $1 per shot ) $14000/348/15/2/1. Its a super volatile game, far worse than anything in VP. But the odds of getting 7/7 is about the same as RF in bonus poker.

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----- Original Message -----

I spent the day yesterday at Palace Station while my car was being
repaired, so picked up the Keno materials. Thanks to
nightoftheiguano, who referred me to an online calculator, the return
calculations were very easy for these games. These are the regular
Keno games, not the Five and Dime games.
1 spot: 75%
2 spot: 72.2%
3 spot: 72.2%
4 spot: 74.1%
5 spot: 68.9%
6 spot: Jumbo Pick6 Progressive
  At $2500 Reset: 69.4%
  At $4625: 100%
  (It was at $2787 on my visit)
7 spot: Jumbo Pick7 Progressive
  At $10,000 Reset: 69.4%
  At $22,500: 100%
  (It was at $12,536 on my visit)
8 spot: Jumbo Pick8 Progressive
  At $50,000 Reset: 72.7%
  At $112,800: 100%
  (It was at $59,288 on my visit)
9 spot: Jumbo Pick9 Progressive
  At $60,000 Reset: 70.2%
  At $471,000: 100%
  (It was at $69,703 on my visit)
10 spot: 70.1%
12 spot: 67.9%
15 spot: 70.0%

Conclusion: Poor returns, like the Wynn, but in some cases slightly
higher. Note the huge increase in the progressive to get to 100% on
the 9 spot. The only 2 progressives I can see ever getting to 100%
are the 6spot and 7spot, but it probably very rare.

#3

You may want to check out the Video Keno progressives right next to

the

regular Keno. When I was there the 7/7 was positive
at ( $1 per shot ) $14000/348/15/2/1. Its a super volatile game, far

worse

than anything in VP. But the odds of getting 7/7 is about the same as

RF in

bonus poker.

Thanks for the tip. As you said, the odds of 7/7 are 1 in 40,979.

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#4

Excellent treatment ont he percentages, but no one way of choosing numbers is better than any other. the mathematics of the situation stipulate that is 20 numbers are drawn per game of 80 than th echance of any number is 1 out of 4 in a given game, thus if you have 20 numbers drawn in one game, the odds are that 5 of 20 will be drawn in the next game.

brumar_lv <brumar_lv@yahoo.com> wrote: I spent the day yesterday at Palace Station while my car was being
repaired, so picked up the Keno materials. Thanks to
nightoftheiguano, who referred me to an online calculator, the return
calculations were very easy for these games. These are the regular
Keno games, not the Five and Dime games.
1 spot: 75%
2 spot: 72.2%
3 spot: 72.2%
4 spot: 74.1%
5 spot: 68.9%
6 spot: Jumbo Pick6 Progressive
   At $2500 Reset: 69.4%
   At $4625: 100%
   (It was at $2787 on my visit)
7 spot: Jumbo Pick7 Progressive
   At $10,000 Reset: 69.4%
   At $22,500: 100%
   (It was at $12,536 on my visit)
8 spot: Jumbo Pick8 Progressive
   At $50,000 Reset: 72.7%
   At $112,800: 100%
   (It was at $59,288 on my visit)
9 spot: Jumbo Pick9 Progressive
   At $60,000 Reset: 70.2%
   At $471,000: 100%
   (It was at $69,703 on my visit)
10 spot: 70.1%
12 spot: 67.9%
15 spot: 70.0%

Conclusion: Poor returns, like the Wynn, but in some cases slightly
higher. Note the huge increase in the progressive to get to 100% on
the 9 spot. The only 2 progressives I can see ever getting to 100%
are the 6spot and 7spot, but it probably very rare.

I think the best chance of winning here is to document the numbers,
looking for repeated numbers in successive games. It appeared to me
the machine sometimes will repeat numbers in successive games. For
example, the numbers 29, 39, 40, 50, 59, 69 repeated in two
successive games. Four of these numbers repeated in 4 successive
games. If anyone makes a big hit based on this tip, I want a finders
fee (just joking).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, pesach kremen <royalflush2222@...>
wrote:

Excellent treatment on the percentages, but no one way of choosing

numbers is better than any other. the mathematics of the situation
stipulate that is 20 numbers are drawn per game of 80 than the chance
of any number is 1 out of 4 in a given game, thus if you have 20
numbers drawn in one game, the odds are that 5 of 20 will be drawn in
the next game.

My original comment (this was posted a long long time ago).

I think the best chance of winning here is to document the numbers,
looking for repeated numbers in successive games. It appeared to
me the machine sometimes will repeat numbers in successive games.
For example, the numbers 29, 39, 40, 50, 59, 69 repeated in two
successive games. Four of these numbers repeated in 4 successive
games.

I could have stated this better. What I meant was the ball blowing
mechanism seemed to be malfunctioning during my visit. Because of
this the balls selected in a game seemed to be "favored" for
selection in the next game. In other words, the randomness of the
game (which you refer to in your post) was flawed.

Here's what was happening (or so it seemed to me). When a game ends
the ball blower is turned off. Then the selected balls are returned
to the top of the unselected balls, beginning with the first ball
selected, and ending with the last ball. So the balls from the
previous game are resting on top of the pile. The next game begins by
restarting the blower under the balls. However, the blower seems to
have 2-3 power ranges. Initially, the lowest power range was
applied, but this range does a very poor job of mixing, especially
for the balls on the top of the pile. So the balls on the top
seemed to be among the first selected. As long as balls continue to
be selected a higher range of blowing is never applied. But if the
selection process slows then a higher range is applied, and the
selection process resumes. If a higher range is not required, then
the balls selected in the prior game tended to be selected in the
next game.

This is what I was talking about. I observed Keno at the Wynn and
the same mixing machine is being used, but the mixing is definitely
superior to the mixing at Palace Station when I visited.

I don't get to Palace Station very often, so this impression may very
well be invalid (and probably is). But if I did visit Palace Station
often, I would definitely test out this theory. All that's required
is to record the balls selected (in order), and place bets on the
next game using all (or some)of these numbers. During games when the
blower range is increased it's not likely to work. But if the lowest
blower range is used throughout the selection process, it may. If
anyone tests out this theory I'd be curious to know if it holds
water. If it does work, of course, I doubt we'll hear from that
person.

Is it possible? There was a TV show about a guy who made millions by
studying roulette wheels, looking for (and documenting) spinning
flaws. To me, that blower mechanism did not seem to be working
properly.