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#1

I remember in the 70's sitting outside a company I worked at at 3am taking a
break and noticing some LAPD police activity way up the street. A cop got
into a guy's little Toyota and roared down our way in first gear going about 50
mph. He turned around and went back. My boss knew one of the cops involved
and asked him later about what happened. "The guy said he couldn't have been
going 50 in a 35 zone because he was only in first gear so we proved he
could."

Fast forward in vegas in 2003. I was driving a company car on the 95 heading
east about at Jones late at night. I was in the #1 lane doing 50 or so. A
car passed me in the #2 lane doing about 60 and... a Metro black and white came
by in the #3 lane doing about 70 and he didn't appear to be on a call just
going back to his station or something.
JT, when he rides his bicycle he's faster than he looks.

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#2

A vpFREE member told me that he modifies the paytables to take tips into account when generating strategies. This seems to me to be an excellent idea, but not one I've heard mentioned before on this board.
   
  This affects higher denom games more than lower denom ones. For example, modifying the 9/6 JOB paytable to allow for a 5% tip on handpays for a $.25 machine only necessitates changing the royal payout from 4000 to 3980, and probably doesn't affect the strategy much. But for a $10 machine, everything down to the 4-of-akind payout must be modified. While 9/6 JOB doesn't have many penalty card situations to begin with, other games like 10/7 DB would possibly be greatly affected.
   
  Any opinions on this? For the anti-penalty-card group, this would seem to support their position to ignore penalty cards altogether. For those who do consider penalty cards, taking tips into account would change exactly what those penalty cards are in many situations.
  
John

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#3

I also wanted to add that this topic reminded me of the old debate about whether to hold a low 5-of-a-kind versus just the 2 deuces in FPDW. When taking into account the time required for a handpay, the tip, filling the hopper, etc, someone (hi Bob :wink: suggested that these costs change the strategy to make the low-5-of-akind. These are all interesting things to consider and I believe quite valid points.

John <john_oc_ca@yahoo.com> wrote: A vpFREE member told me that he modifies the paytables to take tips into account when generating strategies. This seems to me to be an excellent idea, but not one I've heard mentioned before on this board.
   
  This affects higher denom games more than lower denom ones. For example, modifying the 9/6 JOB paytable to allow for a 5% tip on handpays for a $.25 machine only necessitates changing the royal payout from 4000 to 3980, and probably doesn't affect the strategy much. But for a $10 machine, everything down to the 4-of-akind payout must be modified. While 9/6 JOB doesn't have many penalty card situations to begin with, other games like 10/7 DB would possibly be greatly affected.
   
  Any opinions on this? For the anti-penalty-card group, this would seem to support their position to ignore penalty cards altogether. For those who do consider penalty cards, taking tips into account would change exactly what those penalty cards are in many situations.
  
John

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#4

Try 3800 instead of 3980.

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<<<--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John <john_oc_ca@y...> wrote:
<For example, modifying the 9/6 JOB paytable to allow for a 5% tip on
handpays for a $.25 machine only necessitates changing the royal
payout from 4000 to 3980...

#5

oops sorry, i meant 0.5% tip, not 5%

ozymandias77096 <ugwf@hal-pc.org> wrote:

Try 3800 instead of 3980.

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<<<--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John <john_oc_ca@y...> wrote:
<For example, modifying the 9/6 JOB paytable to allow for a 5% tip on
handpays for a $.25 machine only necessitates changing the royal
payout from 4000 to 3980...

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#6

I've corrected my previous post below. Any substantive comments? Does anyone already do this kind of adjustment? What other kinds of adjustments do you make to your paytables/strategies, if any?
   
  John

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John <john_oc_ca@yahoo.com> wrote:
  I also wanted to add that this topic reminded me of the old debate about whether to hold a low 5-of-a-kind versus just the 3 deuces in FPDW. When taking into account the time required for a handpay, the tip, filling the hopper, etc, someone (hi Bob :wink: suggested that these costs change the strategy to make the low-5-of-akind. These are all interesting things to consider and I believe quite valid points.

John <john_oc_ca@yahoo.com> wrote: A vpFREE member told me that he modifies the paytables to take tips into account when generating strategies. This seems to me to be an excellent idea, but not one I've heard mentioned before on this board.
   
  This affects higher denom games more than lower denom ones. For example, modifying the 9/6 JOB paytable to allow for a 0.5% tip on handpays for a $.25 machine only necessitates changing the royal payout from 4000 to 3980, and probably doesn't affect the strategy much. But for a $10 machine, everything down to the 4-of-akind payout must be modified. While 9/6 JOB doesn't have many penalty card situations to begin with, other games like 10/7 DB would possibly be greatly affected.
   
  Any opinions on this? For the anti-penalty-card group, this would seem to support their position to ignore penalty cards altogether. For those who do consider penalty cards, taking tips into account would change exactly what those penalty cards are in many situations.
  
John
    
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#7

do a search of previous posts for min-risk strategies

I've corrected my previous post below. Any substantive comments?

Does anyone already do this kind of adjustment? What other kinds of
adjustments do you make to your paytables/strategies, if any?

   
  John

John <john_oc_ca@y...> wrote:
  I also wanted to add that this topic reminded me of the old debate

about whether to hold a low 5-of-a-kind versus just the 3 deuces in
FPDW. When taking into account the time required for a handpay, the
tip, filling the hopper, etc, someone (hi Bob :wink: suggested that these
costs change the strategy to make the low-5-of-akind. These are all
interesting things to consider and I believe quite valid points.

John <john_oc_ca@y...> wrote: A vpFREE member told me that he

modifies the paytables to take tips into account when generating
strategies. This seems to me to be an excellent idea, but not one I've
heard mentioned before on this board.

   
  This affects higher denom games more than lower denom ones. For

example, modifying the 9/6 JOB paytable to allow for a 0.5% tip on
handpays for a $.25 machine only necessitates changing the royal
payout from 4000 to 3980, and probably doesn't affect the strategy
much. But for a $10 machine, everything down to the 4-of-akind payout
must be modified. While 9/6 JOB doesn't have many penalty card
situations to begin with, other games like 10/7 DB would possibly be
greatly affected.

   
  Any opinions on this? For the anti-penalty-card group, this would

seem to support their position to ignore penalty cards altogether. For
those who do consider penalty cards, taking tips into account would
change exactly what those penalty cards are in many situations.

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John
    
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