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At 09:05 AM 10/27/2007, Bill Coleman wrote:Has it ever occurred to you who assume the worst that maybe they're

going to a system like Sam's with frequent 6X or 7X points days.

Especially since they are combining the Coast system with Sam's???

Well, you mean instead of the current frequent 2x days (which are equivalent to 6x days under the new system)? Since non-multiplier days will now be much worse, and multiplier days in general won't be better, we're supposed to be happy about the transition?

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Didn't say we're supposed to be happy. If I understand their "new" system correctly it's actually pretty crappy, certainly no improvement

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on the old one. But it's not the horrible disaster "sky is falling" that people seem to think. At 05:48 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

At 09:05 AM 10/27/2007, Bill Coleman wrote:Has it ever occurred to you who assume the worst that maybe they're

going to a system like Sam's with frequent 6X or 7X points days.

Especially since they are combining the Coast system with Sam's???

Well, you mean instead of the current frequent 2x days (which are equivalent to 6x days under the new system)? Since non-multiplier days will now be much worse, and multiplier days in general won't be better, we're supposed to be happy about the transition?

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I'm with you on this. If it turns out they have several mulitpliers
every week vs. a few each month then it could work out OK. The problem
is ... to get the same benefit would require playing more days ... I
think this is what they want and probably what they need to do to be
more competitive with the stations casinos.

Dick

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

Didn't say we're supposed to be happy. If I
understand their "new" system correctly it's
actually pretty crappy, certainly no improvement
on the old one. But it's not the horrible
disaster "sky is falling" that people seem to think.

If they also adopt Sam's Boune bgavk system, that will be the real
disaster!

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--- Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:

Didn't say we're supposed to be happy. If I
understand their "new" system correctly it's
actually pretty crappy, certainly no improvement
on the old one. But it's not the horrible > disaster "sky is falling" that people seem to think. > > At 05:48 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

>At 09:05 AM 10/27/2007, Bill Coleman wrote:Has
>it ever occurred to you who assume the worst that maybe they're
>
>going to a system like Sam's with frequent 6X or 7X points days.
>
>Especially since they are combining the Coast system with Sam's???
>
>Well, you mean instead of the current frequent
>2x days (which are equivalent to 6x days under
>the new system)? Since non-multiplier days will
>now be much worse, and multiplier days in
>general won't be better, we're supposed to be happy about the
transition?
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sorry I am typing with a numb hand. I* meant to type - If they
adopt Sam's bounce back system then it will be a true disaster.

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If they also adopt Sam's Boune bgavk system, that will be the real
disaster!

--- Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:

> Didn't say we're supposed to be happy. If I
> understand their "new" system correctly it's
> actually pretty crappy, certainly no improvement
> on the old one. But it's not the horrible > > disaster "sky is falling" that people seem to think. > > > > At 05:48 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>
> >At 09:05 AM 10/27/2007, Bill Coleman wrote:Has
> >it ever occurred to you who assume the worst that maybe they're
> >
> >going to a system like Sam's with frequent 6X or 7X points days.
> >
> >Especially since they are combining the Coast system with
Sam's???
> >
> >Well, you mean instead of the current frequent
> >2x days (which are equivalent to 6x days under
> >the new system)? Since non-multiplier days will
> >now be much worse, and multiplier days in
> >general won't be better, we're supposed to be happy about the
> transition?
> >
> >
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Actually I think it's a very unimaginative and poor move. Part of the problem with the industry is the mindset that keeps them from competing. Most of the time if Stations makes a move, Boyd copies it regardless of how that affects competiveness. For example, is there a single property in town still generally accepted as having "really loose slots"? Of course not.

Part of this is the mindset that requires a slot director to have a minimum average hold on the floor. Or that limits the number of participation or royalty machines on the floor. Or that rates local players based on daily average or includes irrelevant factors like "time on machine".

Combining Boyd's and Coasts loyalty programs could have given Boyd a significant advantage over Stations. Instead, they appear to be blowing the opportunity. A good system would provide decent plays to the people on this list, little to nothing to the pros and a great deal to the masses. Instead they appear to be providing minimal plays to this list (avoiding generating "good plays" buzz around time at a small cost), nothing to the pros and little to the masses. Foolish.

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At 07:13 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> Didn't say we're supposed to be happy. If I
> understand their "new" system correctly it's
> actually pretty crappy, certainly no improvement
> on the old one. But it's not the horrible
> disaster "sky is falling" that people seem to think.

I'm with you on this. If it turns out they have several mulitpliers
every week vs. a few each month then it could work out OK. The problem
is ... to get the same benefit would require playing more days ... I
think this is what they want and probably what they need to do to be
more competitive with the stations casinos.

Dick

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Actually I think it's a very unimaginative and poor move. Part of

the

problem with the industry is the mindset that keeps them from
competing. Most of the time if Stations makes a move, Boyd copies

it

regardless of how that affects competiveness. For example, is there

a

single property in town still generally accepted as having "really
loose slots"? Of course not.

Part of this is the mindset that requires a slot director to have a
minimum average hold on the floor. Or that limits the number of
participation or royalty machines on the floor. Or that rates local
players based on daily average or includes irrelevant factors like
"time on machine".

Combining Boyd's and Coasts loyalty programs could have given Boyd

a

significant advantage over Stations. Instead, they appear to be
blowing the opportunity. A good system would provide decent plays

to

the people on this list, little to nothing to the pros and a great
deal to the masses. Instead they appear to be providing minimal

plays

to this list (avoiding generating "good plays" buzz around time at

a

small cost), nothing to the pros and little to the masses. Foolish.

Without understanding their business it's hard to say anything
definitive. However, I totally agree that innovation appears to be
lacking in the valley. I'm guessing that revenues are not increasing
as much as the suits would like. Their solution is to take more from
their existing customer base. Anyone who really understands business
models knows this approach is a one-way ticket to disaster.

OTOH, with the recent cutbacks at Stations/Fiestas it would seem the
Coast casinos have an opportunity to raid that customer base. The
current changes could be the first volley in the raid ... or it could
be the signal for retreat.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote: