I did not indicate VLTs! Oregon used to have a restriction that VP had to
have a theoretical return under 93%. There is a version often called Oregon
Tens or Better that Frome showed in his text. The return is about 92.5% per
Winpoker, Frugal etc. I wondered if the 93% rule was still in effect. A
number of Indian reservation only states have similar restrictions. (MN
<98%, WI<100%) Louisiana (not reservations) used to be restricted under 94%
when the race tracks were the only places with VP but that is not true
anymore.
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[Original Message]
From: Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 7/14/2005 5:17:59 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Oregon CasinosMark wrote:
> With the UTMOST respect to Howard and Harry, WRONG! and WRONG!
> Spirit Mountain IS a tribal casino. They do not have Full Pay VP,
> but NOR do they have VLTs. No match card.I'm inclined to agree from a practical standpoint. I'll note that a
review of the state compact with Grande Ronde (operator of Spirit
Mountain), dated 1/8/97 (with no apparent amendment since):
http://tinyurl.com/a78apand a more recent and precisely defined compact with Warm
Springs/Cascade Locks, dated 4/6/05:
http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/pdf/1_42.pdf
http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/pdf/42_93.pdfindicates a restriction of the defined permitted Class III machines to
"VLT". However, the VLT definition of contained in the Warm Springs
compact appears to define a machine in which the outcome is determined
strictly according to chance by a microprocessor within the machine.Obviously this is at odds with how we generally understand a VLT to be
defined, which until now I understood to be no more than a terminal
connected to a central determinant mechanism that dispersed wins
electronically in a manner analogous to pull tabs.So, in a strict technical sense, I'll stand by my statement that they
only permit VLT's (as defined by the compact). But, in truth, the
definition appears to allow for what we'd term a "fair" vp machine.------------
Excerpts from the Warm Springs compact:
ARTICLE V - AUTHORIZED CLASS III GAMING
B. Authorized games.
1. Subject to, and in compliance with the provisions of this Compact,
the Tribe may engage in the following types of Class III Gaming:
a. VLT games of chance which meet the specifications set forth in
Exhibit I,
b. keno,
c. blackjack and any side-bet variations of blackjack that do not
alter the course of play of the game,
d. Spanish 21,
e. craps,
f. roulette,
g. pai-gow poker,
h. Caribbean stud poker,
i. three-card poker,
j. let- it-ride,
k. mini-baccarat,
l. big 6 wheel,
m. off-track pari- mutuel wagering on animal racingARTICLE III � DEFINITIONS
VV. "Video Lottery Terminal" or "VLT" means any electronic or other
device, contrivance or machine where the game outcome decision- making
portion of the overall assembly is microprocessor controlled wherein
the ticket or game outcome is displayed on a video display screen,
electronically controlled physical reels, or other electronic or
electro-mechanical display mechanism and that is available for
consumer play at the device upon payment of any consideration, with
winners determined by the application of the element of chance and the
amount won determined by the possible prizes displayed on the device
and which awards game credits. Such device also displays both win
amounts and current credits available for play to the player.------------
I'll note that "Exhibit I: Minimum Internal Controls" (that's "I" as
in ice) is referenced in the Table of Contents, but not physically
included in the pdf.Furthermore, there appears to be no restriction on machine payouts, as
is the case in the Washington State tribal compacts.You'll forgive me if I'd still be a little leery of Oregon tribal
casinos -- better safe than sorry, you know? However, if they operate
"brand name" equipment (e.g. IGT) and I had a STRONG itch to play, I
guess you'd find me at one if I didn't have anything better to do- Harry
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