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#1

I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to identify "better"
players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

They are not barred from the Orleans but are prohibited from playing
progressives.

If this is the case, if all the better players are denied the
opportunity to hit the royal, then only tourists or non knowledgeable
people will be playing and this will result in extended play and more
profits for the casino.

Question- - - Does this influence the randomness factor in any way?
Are the Civil Rights of the "advantage" players being trampled on?
Is this something that should be brought to the attention of the
authorities?

#2

For a "private club", I don't think there would be anything wrong
with barring certain players from progressives, but their position
becomes a little uncertain if they say you can play, but only until
the royal reaches a certain amount.

"Yes, sir, you were a welcome guest at $1350 for the royal, but now
that it's at $1400 you have to go."

I presume the next thing on the agenda is a monitor outside the
buffet to ensure none of the "better" eaters get a disproportionate
share of the crab legs.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott Shapiro <elliotts@j...> wrote:

I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to identify "better"
players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

They are not barred from the Orleans but are prohibited from playing
progressives.

#3

Now does it make sense to let people into a casino but be worried if they sit
down to play a progressive when it hits a certain point? Somebody at sometime
is gonna hit it anyway, so why should they care WHO it is? A progressive is
only hit when someone gets lucky enough to hit the Royal, and that could be
you, me, or Moronic Joe from Kokomo.

In short, I'd need to hear this from the casino manager before I'd believe it.
Who possibly could you have heard this thing from that's got you so concerned?

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I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to identify "better"
players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

They are not barred from the Orleans but are prohibited from playing
progressives.

If this is the case, if all the better players are denied the
opportunity to hit the royal, then only tourists or non knowledgeable
people will be playing and this will result in extended play and more
profits for the casino.

Question- - - Does this influence the randomness factor in any way?
Are the Civil Rights of the "advantage" players being trampled on?
Is this something that should be brought to the attention of the
authorities?

#4

According to I. Nelson Rose, a tenured full Professor at Whittier Law
School in Costa Mesa, "In jurisdictions like Nevada, casinos are free to
take any counter-measures they wish. State law prohibits discriminating
on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin or disability.
But Nevada casinos may exclude players for counting cards, or even just
for winning."

Here is the link to the article:
http://rose.casinocitytimes.com/articles/1021.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Elliott Shapiro [mailto:ellio…@…com]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:05 PM
To: vp-mail@yahoogroups.com; vpfree@yahoogroups.com

I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to identify "better"
players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

They are not barred from the Orleans but are prohibited from playing
progressives.

If this is the case, if all the better players are denied the
opportunity to hit the royal, then only tourists or non knowledgeable
people will be playing and this will result in extended play and more
profits for the casino.

Question- - - Does this influence the randomness factor in any way?
Are the Civil Rights of the "advantage" players being trampled on?
Is this something that should be brought to the attention of the
authorities?

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#5

I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to

identify "better"

players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

Although they are within their legal rights to do so and I wouldnt
put it past them to try such a thing . The practice of barring slot
players could turn into such a PR nightmare for the casino. I dont
think this is much of a threat. PR is why casinos are so hushy hush
about barring anyone.

Also do you have any idea how long it would take to verify if a VP
player actually holds a true edge or not. especially with the
strategy changes needed to take full advantage of a progressive
machine? we are talking about thousands of hours at each level.
and in the end thay would probably end up baring a bunch of the
wrong people.

timmer

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott Shapiro <elliotts@j...> wrote:

#6

God help me...
I agree with Rob on this one.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Rob Singer
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Opinions wanted

  Now does it make sense to let people into a casino but be worried if they sit
  down to play a progressive when it hits a certain point? Somebody at sometime
  is gonna hit it anyway, so why should they care WHO it is? A progressive is
  only hit when someone gets lucky enough to hit the Royal, and that could be
  you, me, or Moronic Joe from Kokomo.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#7

There have been dozens of individuals prohibited from playing
progressives.
I, no longer, go there, but was curious as to the reaction of the
other readers of this discussion group.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:29:49 -0700, you wrote:

Now does it make sense to let people into a casino but be worried if they sit
down to play a progressive when it hits a certain point? Somebody at sometime
is gonna hit it anyway, so why should they care WHO it is? A progressive is
only hit when someone gets lucky enough to hit the Royal, and that could be
you, me, or Moronic Joe from Kokomo.

In short, I'd need to hear this from the casino manager before I'd believe it.
Who possibly could you have heard this thing from that's got you so concerned?

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I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to identify "better"
players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

They are not barred from the Orleans but are prohibited from playing
progressives.

If this is the case, if all the better players are denied the
opportunity to hit the royal, then only tourists or non knowledgeable
people will be playing and this will result in extended play and more
profits for the casino.

Question- - - Does this influence the randomness factor in any way?
Are the Civil Rights of the "advantage" players being trampled on?
Is this something that should be brought to the attention of the
authorities?

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#8

Are we talking about "better players" or Tiger Team players. Casino's have
the right, and often do by means of a sticker prominently displayed on the
machine, that "TEAM PLAY IS NOT ALLOWED". Thus if your identified as one of
those creeps that locks up machines with one coin, calls their fellow team
members on cell phone and arranges shifts with aforesaid players - then
fine -your getting what you deserve - banishment.

regards...Tom

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Elliott Shapiro" <elliotts@joimail.com>

I have heard that the Orleans has hired someone to identify "better"
players and these individuals are then "put off" progressives when
they reach into positive territory.

They are not barred from the Orleans but are prohibited from playing
progressives.