Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
games?
Online VP
Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to
this
question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
games?
Not really.
You can generally find LOUSY VP in dozens of online venues, but 9/6
JOB seems to be the online limit.
The best play seems to be to take advantage of sign-up bonuses or
initial deposit add-ons, find the best VP game, play the minimum
required, and then cash out, never to darken their virtual doorstep
again.
I personally won't send a 1-lira coin to these offshore bet barns
because of my previous experience: In each of four cases I sent $500
to an online casino:
#1 I won $250 and received the entire balance in three weeks
#2 I lost $90 and received the remaining balance in four weeks
#3 I won $100 and the website went offline; I lost the entire amount
#4 I never even got to place a bet; two months later I received an e-
mail saying that thay "hoped" to "return at least a portion" of
players' deposits "very soon". How nice. I've never heard from them
again.
So from my experience, the 50% chance of ever getting your money
back means the VP games would have to be 200% payback to be
breakeven. So if anyone finds an online 20/14 Double Bonus game,
please let me know.
Also, consider what your vast legal recourse would be, if you hit a
royal and they SIMPLY REFUSED TO PAY YOU. What, exactly, would you
do? Fly down to Barbados or whereever the hell the website is
(assuming you could even find out) and look up El Jefe and demand
your money back?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ticklemegordo@y... wrote:
I play at Intercasino. Good db game, over 100% & some other fair games.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <ticklemegordo@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Online VP
Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
games?vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
I have to admit that has been my experience at most online casinos. But, I
have played at Intercasino for years & have won many royal both in quarters
& in dollars. I have always been paid promptly. Last time I cashed out was
for $6,000. After hitting two royals while I was playing on just the cash
back from the month before. Intercasino also matches your deposit to $90.00
once a month & gives you some cashback, very small amt.
Liz
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Online VP
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ticklemegordo@y... wrote:
>
>
> Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to
this
> question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
> games?Not really.
You can generally find LOUSY VP in dozens of online venues, but 9/6
JOB seems to be the online limit.The best play seems to be to take advantage of sign-up bonuses or
initial deposit add-ons, find the best VP game, play the minimum
required, and then cash out, never to darken their virtual doorstep
again.I personally won't send a 1-lira coin to these offshore bet barns
because of my previous experience: In each of four cases I sent $500
to an online casino:#1 I won $250 and received the entire balance in three weeks
#2 I lost $90 and received the remaining balance in four weeks
#3 I won $100 and the website went offline; I lost the entire amount
#4 I never even got to place a bet; two months later I received an e-
mail saying that thay "hoped" to "return at least a portion" of
players' deposits "very soon". How nice. I've never heard from them
again.So from my experience, the 50% chance of ever getting your money
back means the VP games would have to be 200% payback to be
breakeven. So if anyone finds an online 20/14 Double Bonus game,
please let me know.Also, consider what your vast legal recourse would be, if you hit a
royal and they SIMPLY REFUSED TO PAY YOU. What, exactly, would you
do? Fly down to Barbados or whereever the hell the website is
(assuming you could even find out) and look up El Jefe and demand
your money back?vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
I know this is a ridiculous question because it's so irrelevant
but ... isn't internet wagering of any kind technically illegal? I
think it's like the law that says it's illegal to drive and use a
cell phone at the same time, and the law prohibiting chain letter
scams.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ticklemegordo@y... wrote:
Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
games?
brumar_lv wrote:
I know this is a ridiculous question because it's so irrelevant
but ... isn't internet wagering of any kind technically illegal? I
think it's like the law that says it's illegal to drive and use a
cell phone at the same time, and the law prohibiting chain letter
scams.
Not so ridiculous. After all, there are some gamblers who are so
scrupulously honest that they account for their gambling transactions
to the letter of the tax law, despite their personal convictions 
I believe attempts to ban internet gambling at a federal level have
been stalled and shot down in Congress for a number of reasons.
A brief internet search (and take all followingly comments as lightly
researched and to be taken with a grain of salt) makes it clear that
it's illegal to accept wagers in the US and in at least one case a
U.S. citizen has been prosecuted for operating an internet business
offshore. But the status of individual gamblers under federal law is
a bit murky. There's at least one authoritative opinion expressed
that it's not prohibited under federal statute.
The greatest enforcement activity of any kind has been at the state
level. And there are some states that expressly prohibit internet
gambling. From a WA state webpage:
http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/FAQ/InternetGamblingFAQ.htm
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* Is online gambling legal in Washington State?
No. State law prohibits the transmission or receipt of any wager
or gambling information intended to be used for bookmaking or other
unauthorized gambling activity.
------
Other states explicly prohibit residents from engaging in Internet
gambling. However, I suspect that there have been no significant
prosecutions under these acts. Keep in mind that out-of-state
sportsbook betting is illegal in many states and yet I'm not aware of
any individual bet placers quaking in their boots over such wagers.
However, states have cracked down in other ways (aside from
prosecuting those engaged in the business) to deter internet gambling.
New York is the state that went after PayPal and Citibank. Citibank
agreed to stop extending credit to NY residents engaging in internet
wagering and most banks have followed suit, effecting a ban by
allowing transactions with funding instituations affiliated with
internet gambling businesses.
Of course, the internet businesses responded by routing funding
through third party off-shore intermediaries ostensibly (or
legitimately) engaged in general online bill payment activities (such
as NetTeller, FirePay and Citadel).
But fear of future federal prosecution under murky statutes has been
effective also, with Yahoo and other search engines deciding to drop
internet gambling related advertising.
Finally, it's interesting to note that the subject has become yet
another issue of contention between the US and the World Trade
Organization, who asserts that any prohibition on international
internet gambling is an illegal trade barrier.
- Harry
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:
I believe attempts to ban internet gambling at a federal level have
been stalled and shot down in Congress for a number of reasons.
Personally, I think online gambling is a bad idea. There is no way
to exercise any oversight on offshore operations. If there is going
to be online gambling I would prefer licensed American
casinos. The fact they don't seems to me proof it's illegal. We
should be glad there is a Nevada Gaming Commission.
* Is online gambling legal in Washington State?
No. State law prohibits the transmission or receipt of any
wager
or gambling information intended to be used for bookmaking or other
unauthorized gambling activity.
That's what I thought. I'm from Washington. But have several friends
in Washington who gamble online.
However, states have cracked down in other ways (aside from
prosecuting those engaged in the business) to deter internet
gambling.
New York is the state that went after PayPal and Citibank. Citibank
agreed to stop extending credit to NY residents engaging in internet
wagering and most banks have followed suit, effecting a ban by
allowing transactions with funding instituations affiliated with
internet gambling businesses.
Everything on the Internet passes through about 15 sites nationwide
(or did a few years ago). I think it would be easy to stop online
gaming with a software block at those 15 computer sites. For those
of us in Nevada, I believe it's in Palo Alto. If I send email from
my LV site to someone in LV, it goes to Palo Alto and back to LV. I
don't see why it's necessary to involve PayPal, etc.
Finally, it's interesting to note that the subject has become yet
another issue of contention between the US and the World Trade
Organization, who asserts that any prohibition on international
internet gambling is an illegal trade barrier.
Gee, the good old WTO rears its ugly head again. Maybe we should ask
the UN if it's OK to gamble online. Kofe can hire his son to check
into it.
10/7 db? wow, I will have to check this out. I have never seen anything good but
9/6 jacks on line.
Thanks
I play at Intercasino. Good db game, over 100% & some other fair games.
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"Elizabeth E. Krempasky" <mslizrn@dejazzd.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
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To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Online VP
Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
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Elizabeth E. Krempasky wrote:
I play at Intercasino. Good db game, over 100% & some other fair
games.
Nelson Jackson replied:
10/7 db? wow, I will have to check this out. I have never seen
anything good but 9/6 jacks on line.
If this is the game I recall from some time ago it's not 10/7 -- in
fact it has a non-standard paytable, but does have a positive ER. The
paytable structure drives an optimal strategy that is actually very
close to that of 9/6 Jacks.
- Harry
If this is the game I recall from some time ago it's not 10/7 -- in
fact it has a non-standard paytable, but does have a positive ER. The
paytable structure drives an optimal strategy that is actually very
close to that of 9/6 Jacks.
- Harry
That's exactly the game you remember. Non standard paytable but over 100%
ER.
Liz
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@verizon.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Online VP
> Elizabeth E. Krempasky wrote:
> I play at Intercasino. Good db game, over 100% & some other fair
> games.Nelson Jackson replied:
> 10/7 db? wow, I will have to check this out. I have never seen
> anything good but 9/6 jacks on line.If this is the game I recall from some time ago it's not 10/7 -- in
fact it has a non-standard paytable, but does have a positive ER. The
paytable structure drives an optimal strategy that is actually very
close to that of 9/6 Jacks.- Harry
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
Last time I looked, Sci-Fi Casino offered FPDW at the nickel level.
Global Player offers several nice games a few hours each week (Happy
Hour they call it), where they have several over 100% returns,
including $1 All American which is my favorite.
Last of all, there are a number of progressives online which
occasionally get positive. At the quarter level, MegaJacks at
Playtech is positive several times every month. Check out this list:
http://www.slotcharts.com/videopoker.php
Kenneth R. Smith wrote:
Last time I looked, Sci-Fi Casino offered FPDW at the nickel level.
Global Player offers several nice games a few hours each week (Happy
Hour they call it), where they have several over 100% returns,
including $1 All American which is my favorite.
Out of curiosity, is this truly a "full pay" All American? I think
Intercasino, for example, features a short-pay game.
- H.
Out of curiosity, is this truly a "full pay" All American? I think
Intercasino, for example, features a short-pay game.- H.
Yes, it's full pay. It's offered four days a week at particular
times. I played it regularly for a while, and hit two $4K royals on
the game. I later went through a small drought, but nothing
statistically significant. The swings at the dollar level finally
made me quit playing it, and I'm not interested in the $/hr at the
lower denominations, so I haven't played in a few months. Of course,
it's interesting that I'm willing to tolerate higher variance in
land-based plays, with lower EV. It's just harder to feel comfortable
with online losses.
Does anyone know if they are "required" to treat the pay table like vegas (ie. random 52 cards).
They could show an over 100% game based on the pay table, but in reality pay back 90% unless they are required to be random like vegas?
Am I on the wrong track in my thinking?
~cam
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ticklemegordo@... wrote:
Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
games?
How can on-line casinos be "required" to do anything? Most are off-shore on an island. But we are gambling so just don't go on-line with eyes wide shut.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if they are "required" to treat the pay table like vegas (ie. random 52 cards).
They could show an over 100% game based on the pay table, but in reality pay back 90% unless they are required to be random like vegas?
Am I on the wrong track in my thinking?
~cam
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ticklemegordo@ wrote:
>
>
>
> Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
> question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
> games?
>
In the early days of online VP there was a VP program with an exploitable flaw. These games were identified and played over the net by autobots 24/7 and a fortune was made (and lost by those putting the games up). Would not surprise me if the ones licensing the program to those running the online casinos knew about the flaw and were the same ones playing them.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
How can on-line casinos be "required" to do anything? Most are off-shore on an island. But we are gambling so just don't go on-line with eyes wide shut.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if they are "required" to treat the pay table like vegas (ie. random 52 cards).
>
> They could show an over 100% game based on the pay table, but in reality pay back 90% unless they are required to be random like vegas?
>
> Am I on the wrong track in my thinking?
>
> ~cam
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ticklemegordo@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Based on what research I've done, I think I know the answer to this
> > question, but are there any online casinos that offer decent VP
> > games?
> >
>