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Online Poker is the U.S.

#1

In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt (conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice of the pie.

They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S. players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than someone not paying income taxes.

So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you like white on rice.

I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State. There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.

I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker as a threat to their income.

As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to another state just to play online poker.

#2

The IRS is an arm of the Treasury Department, and a very long and broken arm at that.
I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?

Thanks

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From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:34 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Online Poker is the U.S.
  

In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt (conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice of the pie.

They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S. players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than someone not paying income taxes.

So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you like white on rice.

I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State. There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.

I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker as a threat to their income.

As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to another state just to play online poker.

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#3

Typically you get one or two "disconnects" which will place you all-in for
the remainder of the hand. If you continue to disconnect after that, your
hand is folded.

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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@yahoo.com>wrote:

**

The IRS is an arm of the Treasury Department, and a very long and broken
arm at that.
I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are
in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service
gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?

Thanks

________________________________
From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:34 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Online Poker is the U.S.

In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt
(conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash
cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the
Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker
sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from
legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ
knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice
of the pie.

They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of
the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some
sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S.
players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than
someone not paying income taxes.

So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More
States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase
player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning
players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you
like white on rice.

I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize
online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman
heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State.
There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.

I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious
fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this
State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license
entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video
keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker
as a threat to their income.

As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to
another state just to play online poker.

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#4

In the early days of online poker you were declared all-in if you disconnectd. Lots of players used it to their advantage, disconnecting when they doubted their viability in the hand. The sites had to change their disconnect policies because of it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@...> wrote:

I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?
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Thanks

#5

Thank you for the info.

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From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Online Poker is the U.S.
  

--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@...> wrote:

I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?
Â
Thanks

In the early days of online poker you were declared all-in if you disconnectd. Lots of players used it to their advantage, disconnecting when they doubted their viability in the hand. The sites had to change their disconnect policies because of it.

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#6

The wiki about on-line gambling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

Footnote 36 links to WTO ruling for Antigua in dispute with US:
"Authorization to retaliate granted on 28 January 2013"

This one big cash cow for the international lawyer cartel.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt (conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice of the pie.

They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S. players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than someone not paying income taxes.

So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you like white on rice.

I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State. There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.

I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker as a threat to their income.

As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to another state just to play online poker.

#7

They used to do that to me all the time at Paradise, it used to piss me off. In the beginning, I used to wonder, "How come this guy's connection is always so lousy when I have a good hand?" lol Took me a while to figure out. I never had the balls to do it myself, nor the lack of integrity. I guess I'm a fish.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

>
In the early days of online poker you were declared all-in if you disconnectd. Lots of players used it to their advantage, disconnecting when they doubted their viability in the hand. The sites had to change their disconnect policies because of it.

#8

Hell, at this point the IRS is being used as an arm of all branches of government. They use it to influence special interests in all aspects. Now that the HHS and Obamacare is now tied directly to your taxes it's only going to get worse. One be giant mess of government strong arming what ever commerce it wishes.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> The IRS is an arm of the Treasury Department, and a very long and broken
> arm at that.
> I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are
> in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service
> gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:34 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Online Poker is the U.S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt
> (conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash
> cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the
> Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker
> sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from
> legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ
> knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice
> of the pie.
>
> They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of
> the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some
> sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S.
> players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than
> someone not paying income taxes.
>
> So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More
> States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase
> player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning
> players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you
> like white on rice.
>
> I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize
> online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman
> heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State.
> There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.
>
> I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious
> fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this
> State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license
> entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video
> keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker
> as a threat to their income.
>
> As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to
> another state just to play online poker.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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#9

Isn't FREEVpfree the appropriate forum for rants like this?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robman" <rdmassa@...> wrote:

Hell, at this point the IRS is being used as an arm of all branches of government. They use it to influence special interests in all aspects. Now that the HHS and Obamacare is now tied directly to your taxes it's only going to get worse. One be giant mess of government strong arming what ever commerce it wishes.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@> wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > The IRS is an arm of the Treasury Department, and a very long and broken
> > arm at that.
> > I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are
> > in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service
> > gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@>
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:34 AM
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Online Poker is the U.S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt
> > (conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash
> > cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the
> > Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker
> > sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from
> > legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ
> > knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice
> > of the pie.
> >
> > They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of
> > the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some
> > sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S.
> > players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than
> > someone not paying income taxes.
> >
> > So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More
> > States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase
> > player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning
> > players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you
> > like white on rice.
> >
> > I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize
> > online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman
> > heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State.
> > There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.
> >
> > I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious
> > fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this
> > State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license
> > entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video
> > keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker
> > as a threat to their income.
> >
> > As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to
> > another state just to play online poker.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>