Where can I find a strategy guide for this game? I have heard that it
is very complicated, but I'd like to try it out.
Thanks in advance,
John
p.s. and thanks to everyone who answered my sports bar/video poker
post too.
One eyed Jacks strategy?
I don't believe there is any publicly available strategy
for OEJ. A previous post on vpFREE says that you
can use the two pair double joker game in winpoker to
approximate OEJ, although this will probably leave you
at least .5% below best play. It also says that vpfreebie
can be used to set the game up.
Assuming that this is Steve Jacob's "Video Poker FREEBIE",
it can be downloaded at:
http://conjelco.com/downloads/
vpFREE Administrator
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On 31 Jul 2005 at 23:14, john_chinnock wrote:
Where can I find a strategy guide for this game? I have heard that it
is very complicated, but I'd like to try it out.
vpFREE wrote:
I don't believe there is any publicly available strategy
for OEJ. A previous post on vpFREE says that you
can use the two pair double joker game in winpoker to
approximate OEJ, although this will probably leave you
at least .5% below best play. It also says that vpfreebie
can be used to set the game up.Assuming that this is Steve Jacob's "Video Poker FREEBIE",
it can be downloaded at:
Possibly speaking out of turn for Steve, OEJ can be readily set up
using VPfreebie -- although defining a game is fraught with the same
hazards as setting a new game up with winpoker.
Mind you, this program only evaluates hands for hold value, in a
manner roughly analogous to winpoker. Neither program determine a
formal strategy in the way that vpstrategy or frugal vp does.
This means that you're left constructing a strategy empirically --
i.e. working through all possible dealt hand types and noting the best
holds -- ultimately ranking those holds against other possible holds
in the hand into your own strategy.
If I grasp the program limitations correctly, unlike winpoker, it's
not possible to configure your own 5 card hand in order to evaluate
it. You're stuck reviewing randonly dealt hands. (This seems a
little odd to me but, hey, it's free!).
Perhaps more disappointingly, this program doesn't evaluate game
return -- a calculation that, if handled manually, is out of reach of
us mere mortals.
Additionally, the help file suggests there may be a bit of a glitch in
evaluating a RF when one of the component cards is defined as a wild
card (as is the case here). I haven't explored the program
sufficiently to determine if this is true and, if so, effects the
determination of strategy -- for example, would it evaluate (Jh Qh Kh)
with the proper value? (even if not, I expect this hold would still
rank the same in any case given the high WRF payout).
Whatever the case, this "freebie" (which became available something
like 8 years ago and is quite possibly one of the best kept vp
"secrets") is a small treasure in its flexibility in defining vp games
-- and, being remarkably simple in design, it proves to be much more
facile than winpoker in this capacity.
- Harry
If I grasp the program limitations correctly, unlike winpoker, it's
not possible to configure your own 5 card hand in order to evaluate
it. You're stuck reviewing randonly dealt hands. (This seems a
little odd to me but, hey, it's free!).
This was intentional. Some history: Up until late 1994 I was working
on a VP program that I called "Video Poker Oracle" that I planned to
market commercially. I had an alpha test program going that enlisted
about a dozen people who were testing the program, and who had all
signed a non-disclosure agreement. Turns out that one of them was
an unscrupulous scumbag who passed out copies of the program to
his/her friends, in violation of the non-disclosure. During development
I made a stripped down version (removing strategy generation and most
major analysis features) so that people could set it up to play games and
get a feel for what VP Oracle would look like. To make a long story
short, I never finished the wild card support, and without it the program
wasn't really marketable. I believe my algorithms are still the fastest
for evaluating games -- a JoB game takes less than a second on my
old 600MHz machine, to compute EV and generate playing strategy.
Additionally, the help file suggests there may be a bit of a glitch in
evaluating a RF when one of the component cards is defined as a wild
card (as is the case here). I haven't explored the program
sufficiently to determine if this is true and, if so, effects the
determination of strategy -- for example, would it evaluate (Jh Qh Kh)
with the proper value? (even if not, I expect this hold would still
rank the same in any case given the high WRF payout).
There is a known bug with OEJ, but I don't remember the details off
the top of my head, but I don't think it was related to royal flushes. I
have some email about it somewhere, but no time to dig it up right now.
I believe the person who reported this bug to me is on VPFREE -- if
you see this and recall the details of the bug, feel free to chime in.
Unfortunately it wasn't something that could be fixed easily, so I haven't
updated VP Freebie.
Whatever the case, this "freebie" (which became available something
like 8 years ago and is quite possibly one of the best kept vp
"secrets") is a small treasure in its flexibility in defining vp games
-- and, being remarkably simple in design, it proves to be much more
facile than winpoker in this capacity.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you like it.
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On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:29 am, Harry Porter wrote:
Steve Jacobs replied to:
> Whatever the case, this "freebie" (which became available something
> like 8 years ago and is quite possibly one of the best kept vp
> "secrets") is a small treasure in its flexibility in defining vp
> games -- and, being remarkably simple in design, it proves to be
> much more facile than winpoker in this capacity.
with:
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you like it.
There only deserved. I realize that this was an old avocation and
that your beta experience soured things a little.
Have you considered, in abandoning the idea of going commercial,
patching it up into a rough reasonably functional product and going
the shareware route instead (say at $15 after the trial period).
While demand may not overwhelm you, I'd expect that there'd be a ready
market here -- especially as IGT rolls out more and more innovative
games where it might prove useful.
- Harry
There is a known bug with OEJ, but I don't remember the details off
the top of my head, but I don't think it was related to royal
flushes. I
have some email about it somewhere, but no time to dig it up right
now.
I believe the person who reported this bug to me is on VPFREE -- if
you see this and recall the details of the bug, feel free to chime in.
Unfortunately it wasn't something that could be fixed easily, so I
haven't
updated VP Freebie.
The bug had to with certain hands in OEJs where it paid off on a pair
of Aces. Vpfreebie would not count all the possible pairs and generate
an incorrect EV. This in turn would lead to vpfreebie erroneously
choosing the wrong hand as the best hand.
For OEJs programs that pay off on two pair or better it works perfectly
and I have used it quite often.
Over the last 8 years I've also used vpfreebie for other games that
were not programmable with winpoker and it has been a great tool. I
agree with Harrys' analysis completely. It's grrrrreeeeaaaattt.
Dick
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Steve Jacobs <jacobs@x> wrote:
My no royal streak for quarters is now at 9 cycles..... This is getting miserable. I am considering animal sacrifices.... Well, maybe not.....
ednar writes:
My no royal streak for quarters is now at 9 cycles..... This is getting
miserable. I am considering animal sacrifices.... Well, maybe not.....
occasional posts such as this one and some reporting no royals for more than
a year always get my attention, You are right, this is miserable , where is
Kevin Lewis when we need him.
Jack
I checked the Glossary and the FAQ. Nothing!
Who is Kevin Lewis? And, why do we need him?
bl
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jack" <peso@o...> wrote:
ednar writes:
where is
Kevin Lewis when we need him.
Jack
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:
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I checked the Glossary and the FAQ. Nothing!
Who is Kevin Lewis? And, why do we need him?
=====================================
Kevin posted under the handle, Rockofjello333. The rock had many
stories over time of casinos/machines that weren't right in the way
they operated.
Thank you.
bl
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "staninnv" <arnot@c...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:
> Who is Kevin Lewis? And, why do we need him?Kevin posted under the handle, Rockofjello333. The rock had many
stories over time of casinos/machines that weren't right in the way
they operated.
The worst streak I have heard of was by recvpplayer. He had about ten years I believe. But I do not know how many hands.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "jack" <peso@onemain.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] ROYALESS
ednar writes:
My no royal streak for quarters is now at 9 cycles..... This is getting
miserable. I am considering animal sacrifices.... Well, maybe not.....occasional posts such as this one and some reporting no royals for more than
a year always get my attention, You are right, this is miserable , where is
Kevin Lewis when we need him.
JackvpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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Yes. I am sure it is the machines. I now have at least ten different casinos where I am sure their machines are gaffed. LOL
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----- Original Message ----- From: "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ROYALESS
Thank you.
bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "staninnv" <arnot@c...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:
> Who is Kevin Lewis? And, why do we need him?Kevin posted under the handle, Rockofjello333. The rock had many
stories over time of casinos/machines that weren't right in the way
they operated.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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Well, let's see.
I'll assume that one normally hits a RF every 40000 hands, and that by
"9 cycles" you mean you haven't hit any RF in 360000 hands.
Being RF-less in 360000 hands is approximately a 1-in-8000 event.
Since we have approximately 5000 members on the list, it's not totally
unexpected that it would happen to one of us. There's actually a 45%
chance that one of us will not hit any RF in his or her next 360000
hands. I guess that you got the short straw this time.
Those are approximate numbers, of course.
JBQ
Your numbers and calculations are correct although 45,000 hands per cycle is closer. I usually use 40,000 for rough calcs too but those extra 5,000 hands are starting to add us now actually another 45,000 hands.... 
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Baptiste Queru" <jbqueru@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: ROYALESS
Well, let's see.
I'll assume that one normally hits a RF every 40000 hands, and that by
"9 cycles" you mean you haven't hit any RF in 360000 hands.Being RF-less in 360000 hands is approximately a 1-in-8000 event.
Since we have approximately 5000 members on the list, it's not totally
unexpected that it would happen to one of us. There's actually a 45%
chance that one of us will not hit any RF in his or her next 360000
hands. I guess that you got the short straw this time.Those are approximate numbers, of course.
JBQ
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I really didn't want to know that!! Dick McK.
Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote:
Well, let's see.
There's actually a 45%
chance that one of us will not hit any RF in his or her next 360000
hands. I guess that you got the short straw this time.Those are approximate numbers, of course.
JBQ
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<<My no royal streak for quarters is now at 9 cycles..... This is getting
miserable. I am considering animal sacrifices.... Well, maybe not..... >>
We can sympathize - we are down more than we ever have been, unable to get a royal on anything!!!!
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The problem with the math long term (which I believe in with all my heart and mind), especially for us who play a lot and/or for many years, is that the longer we play the more apt we are to hit both extreme ends of the bell curve. Let me say that it is a LOT more fun being on the positive end than on the negative one!!!!!
Bankroll, bankroll, bankroll - and nerves of steel - and a partner with a shoulder to cry on!!!!!
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NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
Updated Second Edition of
"The Frugal Gambler."
To balance out the spectrum, I started playing VP 2 weeks ago, and hit
a JoB RF on my first trip to the casino after only 1,000 hands.
Certainly helps my starting bankroll!
I have a trip next week to Vegas and have been practicing on WinPoker
for a few months. I wanted to get a taste for real casino conditions
so I went to Resorts here in Chicago. Played 1,000 hands, held AK
diamonds and there it was. I couldn't believe it! I printed my
ticket and every so cool-ly walked over to the cage.
I plan on playing 10 hours in Vegas next week, so by my estimation I
should hit 8 royal flushes and fly home first class! hehe.
I'm sure a RF is no biggie to the pros on this board, but it was
amazing to me and feels good to tell about my first one.
Rick
Chicago, IL
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ednar" <ednar@k...> wrote:
My no royal streak for quarters is now at 9 cycles..... This is getting
miserable. I am considering animal sacrifices.... Well, maybe not.....
Start with cows. Eat a comped steak;-) I'm not a 9 cycles yet (and
fervently hope never to be), but I'm closing in. I haven't popped one since
January unless I count the 3 I have hit while practicing.
Chandler
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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
ednar
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 2:43 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] ROYALESS
My no royal streak for quarters is now at 9 cycles..... This is getting
miserable. I am considering animal sacrifices.... Well, maybe not.....
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