Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the older style IGT 25c VP
machines (where the coins spit out) overall turn up better hands in the
short run, and are more cyclic, when compared to the newer style VP
machines.
For example, I have has some of my best runs on these older style
machines.
Logically, this does not make any sense, due to the RNG being a RNG,
but it sure seems that way.
Has anyone else noticed this as well?
Hi crazy.
Read the vpFREE FAQ.
Unless/until you have convincing evidence to the contrary, I
view your observations as being normal fluctuations that you
have misinterpreted, because you suffer from the selective
memory and/or limited anecdotal evidence disease.
vpFREE Administrator
On 2 Jun 2005 at 15:44, mufflerr wrote:
Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the older style IGT 25c VP
machines (where the coins spit out) overall turn up better hands in the
short run, and are more cyclic, when compared to the newer style VP
machines.
vpFREE Administrator,
You are telling me anything I don't already know.
Thanks,
The Muff
> Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the older style IGT 25c VP
> machines (where the coins spit out) overall turn up better hands
in the
> short run, and are more cyclic, when compared to the newer style
VP
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
On 2 Jun 2005 at 15:44, mufflerr wrote:
> machines.Hi crazy.
Read the vpFREE FAQ.
Unless/until you have convincing evidence to the contrary, I
view your observations as being normal fluctuations that you
have misinterpreted, because you suffer from the selective
memory and/or limited anecdotal evidence disease.vpFREE Administrator
Ah!
This must be SM/LAED syndrome!
LOL!
.....bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
> Hi crazy.
>
> Read the vpFREE FAQ.
>
> Unless/until you have convincing evidence to the contrary, I
> view your observations as being normal fluctuations that you
> have misinterpreted, because you suffer from the selective
> memory and/or limited anecdotal evidence disease.
>
> vpFREE Administrator
mufflerr wrote:
Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the older style IGT 25c VP machines (where the coins spit out) overall turn up better hands in the short run, and are more cyclic, when compared to the newer style VP machines.
Mufflerr;
You're not crazy. There is a simnple explanation of the difference in (perceived) hot streaks between the old coin-only machines and the new ones. It's all a matter of the speed of the game.
On the newer machines hands can be played at least 5 times as fast (in the case of multiplays make that 20 times as fast) as the old coin-only machines. When we used to hit several good hands in a short time, with all the coins falling into the bin, it was a very noticeable and enjoyable event. Just the fact of the coins dropping slowed things down and extended the clock time of the hot streak.
Often after hitting a bunch of good hands and having the coin bin fill up, we would just fill up buckets and go cash out our hot streak (didn't we). But we might have only played a couple hundred hands over a period of an hour or an hour and a half.
Even if you are slow player, you are playing much faster with the new machines.
I have hit a royal on a quarter machine and not even noticed it right away. Smaller jackpots rack up points which may decline quickly. All of this tends to smooth out the bumps over the same amount of time, even though hand by hand, the fluctuation remains the same.
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Just got back from a 4 day trip to Vegas. My modest goal is to marathon gamble and not have the trip cost me a dime.
Played VP at Fremont, Vegas Club, MSS, GN, Palms and Palace Station, with emphasis on the Fremont where I was staying.
Even though I hit the pick-em straight flush at the Fremont, I was still down $400 after 2 days. Against my better judgement I ventured to the Palms where I seldom win. It was a double point day so I played JOB to rack up some points and I hit some good hands. I then played FPDW and hit the duces in less than 10 min. By the end of the session I found myself a positve $100.
Going into the last day I didn't want to come home a loser, so I got conservative. I was down to break even after a couple hours. I had a couple more hours to kill before my flight home. Went to the Palms to play the mindless game of pick-em. because, by then I was a little sleep deprived. Still being conservative, I played FP Pick-em in nickels. I played for almost 2 hours on $10. Five minutes before I left I hit the Royal for $300. I had mixed emotions as I could have been playing .25 or at least .10. Odds are I will never hit the Royal on PEM again, but that little hand made my trip and accomplished my goal.
ILLINOIS JIM
Thanks Skip. I've long had the same perception as mufflerr on the old vs new. The game is
lightning fast now vs then. I have more royals annually than I ever used to, but on single
line I'm playing at 1000+hands/hr vs 600/hr before. There are times I wish for the good
old days. The pace seemed better and the fun lasted longer.
Thanks!
Mike
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:
mufflerr wrote:
> Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the older style IGT 25c VP
> machines (where the coins spit out) overall turn up better hands in the
> short run, and are more cyclic, when compared to the newer style VP
> machines.Mufflerr;
You're not crazy. There is a simnple explanation of the difference in
(perceived) hot streaks between the old coin-only machines and the new ones.
It's all a matter of the speed of the game.On the newer machines hands can be played at least 5 times as fast (in the
case of multiplays make that 20 times as fast) as the old coin-only machines.
When we used to hit several good hands in a short time, with all the coins
falling into the bin, it was a very noticeable and enjoyable event. Just the
fact of the coins dropping slowed things down and extended the clock time of the
hot streak.Often after hitting a bunch of good hands and having the coin bin fill up, we
would just fill up buckets and go cash out our hot streak (didn't we). But we
might have only played a couple hundred hands over a period of an hour or an
hour and a half.Even if you are slow player, you are playing much faster with the new machines.
I have hit a royal on a quarter machine and not even noticed it right away.
Smaller jackpots rack up points which may decline quickly. All of this tends to
smooth out the bumps over the same amount of time, even though hand by hand, the
fluctuation remains the same.
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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com
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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com
Thanks Skip,
Your explanation explains part of it.
I think another reason may be that on the older style machines, it
appears that all 5 draw cards are pre-set before drawing, unlike on
the newer machines, where are draw cards are constantly being changed
due to randomization.
Take Care,
The Muff
mufflerr wrote:
> Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the older style IGT 25c VP
> machines (where the coins spit out) overall turn up better hands
in the
> short run, and are more cyclic, when compared to the newer style
VP
> machines.
Mufflerr;
You're not crazy. There is a simnple explanation of the
difference in
(perceived) hot streaks between the old coin-only machines and the
new ones.
It's all a matter of the speed of the game.
On the newer machines hands can be played at least 5 times as
fast (in the
case of multiplays make that 20 times as fast) as the old coin-only
machines.
When we used to hit several good hands in a short time, with all
the coins
falling into the bin, it was a very noticeable and enjoyable event.
Just the
fact of the coins dropping slowed things down and extended the
clock time of the
hot streak.
Often after hitting a bunch of good hands and having the coin bin
fill up, we
would just fill up buckets and go cash out our hot streak (didn't
we). But we
might have only played a couple hundred hands over a period of an
hour or an
hour and a half.
Even if you are slow player, you are playing much faster with the
new machines.
I have hit a royal on a quarter machine and not even noticed it
right away.
Smaller jackpots rack up points which may decline quickly. All of
this tends to
smooth out the bumps over the same amount of time, even though hand
by hand, the
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:
fluctuation remains the same.
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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com
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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com
How does that change anything? Random is random is random. No matter how or when
the cards are selected, if one has a reputable RNG, it will not matter a twit.
....bl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mufflerr" <mufflerr@y...> wrote:
I think another reason may be that on the older style machines, it
appears that all 5 draw cards are pre-set before drawing, unlike on
the newer machines, where are draw cards are constantly being changed
due to randomization.Take Care,
The Muff
mufflerr wrote:
Thanks Skip,
Your explanation explains part of it.
I think another reason may be that on the older style machines, it appears that all 5 draw cards are pre-set before drawing, unlike on the newer machines, where are draw cards are constantly being changed due to randomization.
Hmmmm... While that is no doubt true, I don't see how it would affect anything.
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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com
Skip,
Your point is well taken.
I'm just saying playing these older style machines, and I have played
many, just feel a little different in my opinion.
That's it.
Take Care,
The Muff
mufflerr wrote:
> Thanks Skip,
>
> Your explanation explains part of it.
>
> I think another reason may be that on the older style machines, it
> appears that all 5 draw cards are pre-set before drawing, unlike on
> the newer machines, where are draw cards are constantly being
changed
> due to randomization.
Hmmmm... While that is no doubt true, I don't see how it would
affect anything.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:
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Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vpinsider.com