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OK, I give up

Tom Sims has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive; he has to
police both the nasty responses I sometimes get (elicit, according
to his point of view), and my often not-nice-as-Little Lord
Fauntleroy responses.

He also floated by me the idea (for my approval), of taking a do-I-
want-ROJ-to-keep-posting poll, saying that it was more out of
curiosity than anything else. I asked him what he would do if the
results of the poll were resoundingly negative; he said in that
case, he might have to act on the results. He mentioned that such a
poll was not unique to the VPFree experience, as the infamous RS had
also been subjected to impeachment proceedings. I felt much better
now that I was in the company of the world's foremost VP fraud!

He says he prefers a Pollyanna-type environment (his term, not
mine). Why anyone whose mindset is this way would want to operate an
Internet forum about gambling escapes me.

I had hoped to return to a quiter environment after all the hoohah
had died down, and also had hoped that Tom would be a little less
rigid in his enforcement policies, or at least a little more FAIR.
It seems when someone attacks me in violation of VPFree guidelines,
I share the blame equally for having provoked the response with my
inflammatory post(s). Well, since I can't control other people's
actions, I don't think I should be blamed for them. This, however,
is contrary to Tom's worldview; he has expressed time and again that
he draws no distinction between someone who starts a fight, and
someone who fights back.

Well, I do draw that distinction.

This has become anything but fun for me. I thank those who have
expressed support, and if you'd like to chat about anything, VP,
Vegas, or whatever, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Good
luck, and royals to all.

Like him or not, and i am impartial, RoJ has sometimes and sometimes not, interesting and intelligent posts.
Once again, as an analogy to TV programming,if you don't like what you see and hear, every TV has a channel and volume selector.
Same goes for for the delete key for email. Use it! It's called self moderation.

Seussman

..... has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive;

Actually, in a private email to ROJ I wrote:

"Although my life would be a whole lot less complicated
without you on vpFREE, I'll support you as long as you
rigidly observe all rules and policies, and don't monopolize
discussions by posting too frequently. In the future I won't
cut you, or anyone else, any slack when enforcing the no
"Negative Comments Policy"."

He also floated by me the idea (for my approval), of taking a do-I-
want-ROJ-to-keep-posting poll, saying that it was more out of curiosity
than anything else. I asked him what he would do if the results of the
poll were resoundingly negative; he said in that case, he might have to
act on the results.

Actually, ROJ asked me what I would do if the poll ran 5:1
against him and I replied:

"I'd be pretty surprised, but it would corroborate the generally
negative ROJ feedback I've gotten to date. I would expect a
poll to be more ROJ favorable, probably at the 50/50 level.

But to answer your question, 3:2 (either way) wouldn't make
much difference to me. Larger majorities (either way) would
call for a re-evaluation of the situation."

He mentioned that such a poll was not unique to the VPFree
experience, as the infamous RS had also been subjected to impeachment
proceedings. I felt much better now that I was in the company of the
world's foremost VP fraud!

Actually, ROJ said that no other member had ever been the
subject of a vpFREE poll and I replied:

"Not that it matters but we have done Rob Singer Polls in
the past <http://members.cox.net/vpfree/P_Sing.htm>
and <http://members.cox.net/vpfree/P_Sing2.htm>."

I had hoped to return to a quiter environment after all the hoohah had
died down, and also had hoped that Tom would be a little less rigid in
his enforcement policies, or at least a little more FAIR. It seems when
someone attacks me in violation of VPFree guidelines, I share the blame
equally for having provoked the response with my inflammatory post(s).

ROJ was only held accountable for negative personal comments,
made by him, either in his posts or in response to other posts.

As I've said many times, although I always take ROJ's posts
with several grains of salt, I enjoy reading them. Life without
them on vpFREE will be less exciting, but probably a lot less
hectic.

vpFREE Administrator

···

On 6 Mar 2005 at 6:33, rockofjello333 wrote:

I want to thank the vpFREE administrator, and SWMBO, for the
tremendous resource provided here. It is interesting that for no
membership fee, some feel a type of ownership. vpFREE is so good
that merchants who sell gaming information come to vpFREE to get it.

For the information presented here and the price of membership
following the rules is easy enough for hundreds of members. I
appreciate what vpFREE offers.

···

Actually, in a private email to ROJ I wrote:

"Although my life would be a whole lot less complicated
without you on vpFREE, I'll support you as long as you
rigidly observe all rules and policies, and don't monopolize
discussions by posting too frequently. In the future I won't
cut you, or anyone else, any slack when enforcing the no
"Negative Comments Policy"."

I like rockojello reports/comments and his name also.
Please don't leave
David K

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----- Original Message -----
From: "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] OK, I give up

Tom Sims has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive; he has to
police both the nasty responses I sometimes get (elicit, according
to his point of view), and my often not-nice-as-Little Lord
Fauntleroy responses.

He also floated by me the idea (for my approval), of taking a do-I-
want-ROJ-to-keep-posting poll, saying that it was more out of
curiosity than anything else. I asked him what he would do if the
results of the poll were resoundingly negative; he said in that
case, he might have to act on the results. He mentioned that such a
poll was not unique to the VPFree experience, as the infamous RS had
also been subjected to impeachment proceedings. I felt much better
now that I was in the company of the world's foremost VP fraud!

He says he prefers a Pollyanna-type environment (his term, not
mine). Why anyone whose mindset is this way would want to operate an
Internet forum about gambling escapes me.

I had hoped to return to a quiter environment after all the hoohah
had died down, and also had hoped that Tom would be a little less
rigid in his enforcement policies, or at least a little more FAIR.
It seems when someone attacks me in violation of VPFree guidelines,
I share the blame equally for having provoked the response with my
inflammatory post(s). Well, since I can't control other people's
actions, I don't think I should be blamed for them. This, however,
is contrary to Tom's worldview; he has expressed time and again that
he draws no distinction between someone who starts a fight, and
someone who fights back.

Well, I do draw that distinction.

This has become anything but fun for me. I thank those who have
expressed support, and if you'd like to chat about anything, VP,
Vegas, or whatever, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Good
luck, and royals to all.

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@y...>
wrote:

Tom Sims has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive; he has to
police both the nasty responses I sometimes get (elicit, according
to his point of view), and my often not-nice-as-Little Lord
Fauntleroy responses.

He also floated by me the idea (for my approval), of taking a do-I-
want-ROJ-to-keep-posting poll, saying that it was more out of
curiosity than anything else. I asked him what he would do if the
results of the poll were resoundingly negative; he said in that
case, he might have to act on the results. He mentioned that such a
poll was not unique to the VPFree experience, as the infamous RS had
also been subjected to impeachment proceedings. I felt much better
now that I was in the company of the world's foremost VP fraud!

He says he prefers a Pollyanna-type environment (his term, not
mine). Why anyone whose mindset is this way would want to operate an
Internet forum about gambling escapes me.

I had hoped to return to a quiter environment after all the hoohah
had died down, and also had hoped that Tom would be a little less
rigid in his enforcement policies, or at least a little more FAIR.
It seems when someone attacks me in violation of VPFree guidelines,
I share the blame equally for having provoked the response with my
inflammatory post(s). Well, since I can't control other people's
actions, I don't think I should be blamed for them. This, however,
is contrary to Tom's worldview; he has expressed time and again that
he draws no distinction between someone who starts a fight, and
someone who fights back.

Well, I do draw that distinction.

This has become anything but fun for me. I thank those who have
expressed support, and if you'd like to chat about anything, VP,
Vegas, or whatever, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Good
luck, and royals to all.

Geez Rok are you going to take your ball and bat home again? Ray

Stick around ROJ! Life is too short to take everything so seriously.

Sorry to hear you you plan on stopping your posts, I hope you change
your mind, again.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@y...>
wrote:

···

>
This has become anything but fun for me. I thank those who have
expressed support, and if you'd like to chat about anything, VP,
Vegas, or whatever, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Good
luck, and royals to all.

I know I have not been asked, but my advice for you is to stay if
they let you. I say this from personal experience. I stopped posting
on this message board for about a year, and was not going to post
here ever again, but then decided, to the chagrin of many :), I'm
sure, to resume posting. Many people post here, probably the largest
number of people in any VP oriented message board, and if you find a
topic boring, very soon there will be another one. If you stop
posting, you will lurk if you still play VP, and then you will be
sorry you decided not to post again. I used to hate it that I could
not discuss everything that went against the FAQ's, which are my
favorite topics, but then it dawned on me that I don't have to talk
of sex with Mother Theresa, or of that famous wagon to an alcoholic,
or of the Peruvian Stock Market to a soy bean specialist in the
Chicago Board of Trade. I find your posts amusing and read some of
them except when I don't feel like it after a few sentences, and then
I have the choice of not reading them to the end, which sometimes I
take. No big deal. Life is too short to take seriously trivial
things. I can even tell you what I hate the most about your posts,
and that is the word 'megatoilet'. I like the big resorts. I just
would not go to Las Vegas as often as I do if they did not have
Bellagio, Mandalay Bay, Venetian, Caesars. I find in the new high
tech resorts many attractions that I do not find elsewhere, starting
with a good system to treat the breathing air. I look forward to
visiting the new Wynn place. Anyway, when you put down those places,
I can choose to laugh if on a good mood that day, and often I do, or
stop reading your post. No big deal. There are other things you write
that I can enjoy with no reservations. I believe that is true of
everyone, no two heads think the same. Best wishes for lots of
Royals.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@y...>
wrote:

Tom Sims has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive; he has to
police both the nasty responses I sometimes get (elicit, according
to his point of view), and my often not-nice-as-Little Lord
Fauntleroy responses.

He also floated by me the idea (for my approval), of taking a do-I-
want-ROJ-to-keep-posting poll, saying that it was more out of
curiosity than anything else. I asked him what he would do if the
results of the poll were resoundingly negative; he said in that
case, he might have to act on the results. He mentioned that such a
poll was not unique to the VPFree experience, as the infamous RS

had

also been subjected to impeachment proceedings. I felt much better
now that I was in the company of the world's foremost VP fraud!

He says he prefers a Pollyanna-type environment (his term, not
mine). Why anyone whose mindset is this way would want to operate

an

Internet forum about gambling escapes me.

I had hoped to return to a quiter environment after all the hoohah
had died down, and also had hoped that Tom would be a little less
rigid in his enforcement policies, or at least a little more FAIR.
It seems when someone attacks me in violation of VPFree guidelines,
I share the blame equally for having provoked the response with my
inflammatory post(s). Well, since I can't control other people's
actions, I don't think I should be blamed for them. This, however,
is contrary to Tom's worldview; he has expressed time and again

that

···

he draws no distinction between someone who starts a fight, and
someone who fights back.

Well, I do draw that distinction.

This has become anything but fun for me. I thank those who have
expressed support, and if you'd like to chat about anything, VP,
Vegas, or whatever, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Good
luck, and royals to all.

Another vote for ROJ to stay. Many of us would sorely miss his
cutting edge humor. I wish I had as much writing talent.

Keith

I also enjoy his epistles. Dick McK

kls6792 wrote:

Another vote for ROJ to stay. Many of us would sorely miss his
cutting edge humor. I wish I had as much writing talent.

Keith

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Hi super

I agree 100.76%. I think a lot of the flack comes from newer players.
Gee, I've been on vp and bj boards for a long time and it seems to be
something that came about in last couple years. Maybe it's because
the board is bigger than others. The personal attackers will rant and
rave and they ice the cake with something like "You don't know how to
spell either." Once in a while I post. I like to keep it short and
don't express many opinions. Today I will express one:

   We need to keep the personal stuff out of the posts. Let's say
someone posts that he has got comp show tickets and sold them for a
profit. There are two kinds of posters to this show ticket post:
     1. The right way; You have to be careful doing that. I hear
        casinos don't like that. You have to watch out
        You could get into trouble.
     2. The wrong way to answer; You must to be a slime and a creep
        to do such a thing. I can't stand people like you. Your
        no good etc.---

Post #1 is about the idea of selling comps and why not to do it.

Post #2 is about poster wanting to attack person who posted. If
posters are kicked off these personal attackers should be the ones.

What makes sense to me would a group of post busters. A chosen few
who can delete a post or two when things get bad. This way the
administrator doesn't have to spend a lot of time on police work. If
a post is busted the poster can ask why through e mail. Of course,
the administrator still reserves right to ban someone.

For what it's worth............Jeep
.
.
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic" <erchalb@c...>
wrote:

I know I have not been asked, but my advice for you is to stay if
they let you. I say this from personal experience. I stopped

posting

on this message board for about a year, and was not going to post
here ever again, but then decided, to the chagrin of many :), I'm
sure, to resume posting. Many people post here, probably the

largest

number of people in any VP oriented message board, and if you find

a

topic boring, very soon there will be another one. If you stop
posting, you will lurk if you still play VP, and then you will be
sorry you decided not to post again. I used to hate it that I could
not discuss everything that went against the FAQ's, which are my
favorite topics, but then it dawned on me that I don't have to talk
of sex with Mother Theresa, or of that famous wagon to an

alcoholic,

or of the Peruvian Stock Market to a soy bean specialist in the
Chicago Board of Trade. I find your posts amusing and read some of
them except when I don't feel like it after a few sentences, and

then

I have the choice of not reading them to the end, which sometimes I
take. No big deal. Life is too short to take seriously trivial
things. I can even tell you what I hate the most about your posts,
and that is the word 'megatoilet'. I like the big resorts. I just
would not go to Las Vegas as often as I do if they did not have
Bellagio, Mandalay Bay, Venetian, Caesars. I find in the new high
tech resorts many attractions that I do not find elsewhere,

starting

with a good system to treat the breathing air. I look forward to
visiting the new Wynn place. Anyway, when you put down those

places,

I can choose to laugh if on a good mood that day, and often I do,

or

stop reading your post. No big deal. There are other things you

write

that I can enjoy with no reservations. I believe that is true of
everyone, no two heads think the same. Best wishes for lots of
Royals.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333"

<rockofjello333@y...>

wrote:
>
> Tom Sims has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
> posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive; he has

to

> police both the nasty responses I sometimes get (elicit,

according

> to his point of view), and my often not-nice-as-Little Lord
> Fauntleroy responses.
>
> He also floated by me the idea (for my approval), of taking a do-

I-

> want-ROJ-to-keep-posting poll, saying that it was more out of
> curiosity than anything else. I asked him what he would do if the
> results of the poll were resoundingly negative; he said in that
> case, he might have to act on the results. He mentioned that such

a

> poll was not unique to the VPFree experience, as the infamous RS
had
> also been subjected to impeachment proceedings. I felt much

better

> now that I was in the company of the world's foremost VP fraud!
>
> He says he prefers a Pollyanna-type environment (his term, not
> mine). Why anyone whose mindset is this way would want to operate
an
> Internet forum about gambling escapes me.
>
> I had hoped to return to a quiter environment after all the

hoohah

> had died down, and also had hoped that Tom would be a little less
> rigid in his enforcement policies, or at least a little more

FAIR.

> It seems when someone attacks me in violation of VPFree

guidelines,

> I share the blame equally for having provoked the response with

my

> inflammatory post(s). Well, since I can't control other people's
> actions, I don't think I should be blamed for them. This,

however,

···

> is contrary to Tom's worldview; he has expressed time and again
that
> he draws no distinction between someone who starts a fight, and
> someone who fights back.
>
> Well, I do draw that distinction.
>
> This has become anything but fun for me. I thank those who have
> expressed support, and if you'd like to chat about anything, VP,
> Vegas, or whatever, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Good
> luck, and royals to all.

Geez Rok are you going to take your ball and bat home again? Ray

Precisely. I'm taking the over of 5 days. ROJ posts again before
Friday of this week.

As a newer member here, I shall miss your posts, as they are/were a
good respite from the endless off-topic stuff like promo codes for
rental cars, or airfares, or game conditions in some places I have
never heard of, and don't plan on ever visiting. I thought this site
was for the discussion of VIDEO POKER in LAS VEGAS, NEVADA.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333"
<rockofjello333@y...> wrote:

···

Tom Sims has informed me that I cause him unwanted grief by my
posts, which are by nature controversial and disruptive; he has to
police both the nasty responses I sometimes get (elicit, according
to his point of view), and my often not-nice-as-Little Lord
Fauntleroy responses.

Video poker in Las Vegas receives more coverage and
discussion than that in other areas, but all general VP
topics are appropriate on vpFREE. The regional forums
are available for more detailed coverage of local interest
items.

vpFREE Administrator

···

On 7 Mar 2005 at 0:37, Charles wrote:

As a newer member here, I shall miss your posts, as they are/were a good
respite from the endless off-topic stuff like promo codes for rental
cars, or airfares, or game conditions in some places I have never heard
of, and don't plan on ever visiting. I thought this site was for the
discussion of VIDEO POKER in LAS VEGAS, NEVADA.

There aren't any off-limit topics on vpFREE whether they're
anti-FAQ or pro-FAQ or whatever.

vpFREE Administrator

···

On 6 Mar 2005 at 18:13, superquadfullhousroyalistic wrote:

I used to hate it that I could not discuss everything that went
against the FAQ's, which are my favorite topics ...

Well, let us say that some ways of looking at Video Poker playing
that differ from maximizing EV as stated in the vpFREE dogma are not
encouraged here, and if someone writes about them too much he risks
being sent to FREEvpFREE and being put in moderation. That is fine
with me. I will not ask anyone here in which casino is it that the
second machine on the right hits a Royal every Tuesday from 2 to 3
AM. :slight_smile:

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

On 6 Mar 2005 at 18:13, superquadfullhousroyalistic wrote:

> I used to hate it that I could not discuss everything that went
> against the FAQ's, which are my favorite topics ...

There aren't any off-limit topics on vpFREE whether they're
anti-FAQ or pro-FAQ or whatever.

vpFREE Administrator

> > I used to hate it that I could not discuss everything that went
> > against the FAQ's, which are my favorite topics ...

> There aren't any off-limit topics on vpFREE whether they're
> anti-FAQ or pro-FAQ or whatever.

> vpFREE Administrator

superquadfullhousroyalistic replied:

Well, let us say that some ways of looking at Video Poker playing
that differ from maximizing EV as stated in the vpFREE dogma are not
encouraged here,

Any serious, sincere discussion of any video poker topic
is welcome on vpFREE.

and if someone writes about them too much he risks
being sent to FREEvpFREE and being put in moderation.

This has only happened once and it wasn't because of the
topic, but because the content was deemed frivolous, insincere
and disruptive. Happily, that writer is a full fledged
participating member again and is no longer moderated.

vpFREE Administrator

I was going to let you have the last word on this matter, and I will
if you reply to the present message, but I can't right now refrain
from remarking that someone who might consider gambling a basically
frivolous pursuit would look insincere to a serious gambler with
professional ambitions, and disruption would only follow as a result
of weltanschauung intolerance on one part or the other.

"I don't understand people who like to work and talk about it like it
was some sort of goddamn duty. Doing nothing feels like floating on
warm water to me. Delightful, perfect."
Ava Gardner

> > > I used to hate it that I could not discuss everything that

went

> > > against the FAQ's, which are my favorite topics ...

> > There aren't any off-limit topics on vpFREE whether they're
> > anti-FAQ or pro-FAQ or whatever.

> > vpFREE Administrator

superquadfullhousroyalistic replied:

> Well, let us say that some ways of looking at Video Poker playing
> that differ from maximizing EV as stated in the vpFREE dogma are

not

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

> encouraged here,

Any serious, sincere discussion of any video poker topic
is welcome on vpFREE.

> and if someone writes about them too much he risks
> being sent to FREEvpFREE and being put in moderation.

This has only happened once and it wasn't because of the
topic, but because the content was deemed frivolous, insincere
and disruptive. Happily, that writer is a full fledged
participating member again and is no longer moderated.

vpFREE Administrator

Excuse me, but WTF???

SK

···

From: "superquadfullhousroyalistic" <erchalb@cantv.net>
I was going to let you have the last word on this matter, and I will
if you reply to the present message, but I can't right now refrain
from remarking that someone who might consider gambling a basically
frivolous pursuit would look insincere to a serious gambler with
professional ambitions, and disruption would only follow as a result
of weltanschauung intolerance on one part or the other.

"I don't understand people who like to work and talk about it like it
was some sort of goddamn duty. Doing nothing feels like floating on
warm water to me. Delightful, perfect."
Ava Gardner

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
>
> > > > I used to hate it that I could not discuss everything that
went
> > > > against the FAQ's, which are my favorite topics ...
>
> > > There aren't any off-limit topics on vpFREE whether they're
> > > anti-FAQ or pro-FAQ or whatever.
>
> > > vpFREE Administrator
>
> superquadfullhousroyalistic replied:
>
> > Well, let us say that some ways of looking at Video Poker playing
> > that differ from maximizing EV as stated in the vpFREE dogma are
not
> > encouraged here,
>
> Any serious, sincere discussion of any video poker topic
> is welcome on vpFREE.
>
> > and if someone writes about them too much he risks
> > being sent to FREEvpFREE and being put in moderation.
>
> This has only happened once and it wasn't because of the
> topic, but because the content was deemed frivolous, insincere
> and disruptive. Happily, that writer is a full fledged
> participating member again and is no longer moderated.
>
> vpFREE Administrator