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official MS BJ tournament rules

Congrats! Double Bonus Deuces has been very mean to me lately. I am down
almost $3,000 in play this year but cashed about $400 in cash back. I was
offered a comp to the BJ tournament so I will see you there. I hope it is
ran better than the last time I played in it. Obviously the rules are set
up to minimize the skill advantage of the better players. One of the rules
has a ten second limit on bets. A player at my table took three minutes on
hand 20.
My mom and I were present for the 6PM, 7PM and 8PM drawings on April 30. We
found out last Wednesday that my mom had her name pulled later for $50
instead of $1,000. (The only three entries she had were a mailed coupon!)
Mike D. - you are invited over here on July 11!!!
One very minor Trump update. On Super X Pay the one 25c triple play that
had 10-6-5DB now is 9-6-5 so no playable Super X Pay at Trump (Just the one
game at Majestic Star and some $1 games in Joliet.)

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From: vp_nbi <nbi@wideopenwest.com>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 5/20/2005 3:06:14 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] official MS BJ tournament rules

I picked up a copy of the official rules while playing at MS
yesterday. My vp session was mucho profitable as I hit 5 aces four
times, 4 deuces with ace once, and 5 threes on the 8x Multi-Strike
multiplier. Howard, you made a Double Bonus Deuces Wild believer out
of me! :slight_smile:

Regarding the printed Blackjack tournament rules I find them
incomprehensible. Here are the Round 1 rules perhaps someone can
explain them in a way that makes sense:

1. Round 1 will consist of 5 sessions. The 5th session will be the
rebuy session.
2. Each session will have a maximum of 6 tables with 6 players at each
table.
3. At the conclusion of 20 hands, all chips will be counted and the 3
players with the highest score at each table in each session will
advance to round 2.

Obviously in order to be fair the rebuys must be available to all
entrants that failed to qualify (those who did qualify obviously don't
care about rebuys). The problem is that the numbers don't add up.
6(tables) X 6(players) X 4(sessions) = 144 (entrants). By rule 3 we
qualify 50% of the entrants for round 2 leaving 72 (144 X .5). But
rule 2 limits the rebuy session to 36. Clearly 36 != 72. So I don't
get it. Who qualifies for rebuys and when??

In my 2nd pass at this I tried incorporating other info to mold this
into something that could make sense. For "General Session Rules" a
rule states "a player with no chips remaining is eliminated from
play". Aha, I thought, now this is beginning to take on some semblance
of logic. It appears that non-qualifiers consist of 2 categories:
those who bust out and those who are left with chips at the end of a
session. The problem with this scenario is that if we place everyone
with remaining chips in the rebuy session we could end up with the
worst case number 72 (4 X 18) which is in conflict with the rule 2
maximum of 36 since there is no apriori way to determine how many will
bust out.

Okay, one more try. Lets say we automatically seed survivors from a
session into the next session which also takes on new players. This
process is iterated leaving a rebuy session field that satisfies rule
2. This approach while satisfying the rules as stated has 2 very
serious flaws: fairness (someone entering via session 1 clearly does
not have the same odds as someone entering via session 4) and
scheduling logistics (the bustouts can't be determined in advance so
how do you schedule players after the 1st session??).

That's 3 strikes in trying to interpret these rules. Time for me to
"grab some bench". :slight_smile:

Could someone else step up to the plate? It would probably be most
helpful if a participant of the last tournament relates how it ran.
Thanks.

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--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:

I hope it is
ran better than the last time I played in it.

They do seem to be better organized than last year. Its always nice to
play in a tournament where skill plays some role, I think the advantage
is fairly strong. I don't think more than 30% of the players have any
idea of tournament strategy.

Mike D. - you are invited over here on July 11!!!

Is this an open invitation to all vp_Chicago? Directions?

One very minor Trump update. On Super X Pay the one 25c triple play

that

had 10-6-5DB now is 9-6-5 so no playable Super X Pay at Trump

Is 10-6-5db approx. the same as 9-7-5?

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "jaydavidson118"
<jaydavidson118@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
> I hope it is
> ran better than the last time I played in it.

They do seem to be better organized than last year.

I hope the rules sheet I picked up is not an indicator of that! :slight_smile:

Its always nice to
play in a tournament where skill plays some role, I think the advantage
is fairly strong. I don't think more than 30% of the players have any
idea of tournament strategy.

I guess that makes me dead money too. I used to play blackjack
seriously, but never played in a tournament. I'm quite skeptical about
strategy claims as pertaining to tournaments consisting of no more
than 20 hands per round. Just how deep could such a strategy be? Don't
lose? While surfing the web for answers I discovered an entire
spectrum: "blast away", "play safe - survive", "adapt your play to
your opponents", etc. I don't think anyone really has a novel approach
that's a proven repeatable winner above and beyond the obvious advice
of playing solid basic blackjack strategy. And if somebody thinks
counting will make a difference they're kidding themselves. I think it
all comes down to playing error free blackjack while keeping an eye on
the competition and shifting gears when you have to.

> Mike D. - you are invited over here on July 11!!!

Is this an open invitation to all vp_Chicago? Directions?

I think so. Howard (who is a chess player) seems to be following
through on a time honored old tradition of chess tournament victors -
winners buy!

> One very minor Trump update. On Super X Pay the one 25c triple play
that
> had 10-6-5DB now is 9-6-5 so no playable Super X Pay at Trump

Is 10-6-5db approx. the same as 9-7-5?

Groan. Was there ever a "playable" Gaff-O-Matic, err I mean Super X
Pay anywhere? :slight_smile: