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Odyssey VP video

Thanks for the video. It brought back a lot of good memories & one bad
one. The only time I gambled in MN was on an Odyssey which took 6 hrs to hit
the bonus! Just surprised that they are still around because I thought IGT
won a lawsuit which put Silicon Gaming out of business.

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"...And who remembers the Odyssey VP with the bonus feature on those
machines?..."

Bonus Round Video:
_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wef5WVEs4Vc)

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As I remember it Silicon Gaming got into bigtime money trouble by trying to get to big to fast and IGT bought them out just to put them out of business.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:

Thanks for the video. It brought back a lot of good memories & one bad
one. The only time I gambled in MN was on an Odyssey which took 6 hrs to hit
the bonus! Just surprised that they are still around because I thought IGT
won a lawsuit which put Silicon Gaming out of business.

IGT sued Williams for violating the Telnaes Patent. Around Christmas/New Year's 96/97 IGT got an injunction to have the Williams machines removed from the casinos. Those machines included Piggy Bankin', Shopping Spree and Safecracker, which were highly exploitable three-reel advantage slots.

I remember this time period well. In October 1996 I had thumbed into Laughlin, Nevada with my sleeping bag, day pack, 99 cents and a half a pack to Top rolling tobacco....to do some credit hustling. It was a bitch of a hitchike. In the old days I could thumb down I-5 from Oregon down to Sacramento, switch to 99 down to Bakersfield, then California 58 over Tehachapi to Barstow, hit I-40 and clear the state in 24 hours.

That had all changed by 1996. It took me 3 days just to get from Lodi to Tehachapi. I spent the night in my sleeping bag in the on-ramp clover leaf at Tehachapi. The next morning I bought a cup of coffee and was down to 99 cents. I was looking to thumb into Vegas but a guy stopped who was going to Laughlin. I took him up on the offer. That was a fateful ride.

I was in Laughlin probably around noon. A few hours of credit hustling later I had a massive $20 bankroll. In the process of credit hustling I picked up on the William's Piggy Bankin' machines and how to exploit them. I stuck to the quarters at first. 2 days later I had a massive $300 bankroll and put my first play down on dollars. I got thru that window too.

I checked into Harrah's that night and immediately called room service. "Yeah, gimme the biggest steak ya got." Then I headed into the bathroom "Wow, this joints got hot showers and everything." When I came out of the shower I seen myself in the mirror. I pointed a finger at myself in the mirror saying "Mickey, if you mess this one up there is no hope for you, boy. If you don't do the right thing then to hell with you. You can live under the bridges and work day labor for the rest of your life, jerk."

Two months later I was in Las Vegas working the dollar Piggy Bankin' machines. I walked into Circus Circus and all the Piggy Bankin' machines were shut down. I asked the attendent what was going on. She didn't know. I jumped on the bus and headed downtown. I walked into Binion's and all the Piggy Bankin' machines were shut down. "What the Hell?" I went over to the Golden Nugget and the Piggy Bankin' machines were shut down. Now I'm sweatin'. I looked all over one of the machines to find out who made them....Williams. I went to the phone booth and looked for a local number.

"Williams Gaming, may I help you?"
"Yeah, what's up with the Piggy Bankin' machines? Why are they being shut down?"
"We're being sued by IGT" she said. "over the Telnaes Patent. They got an injunction to have the machines removed but we're scrambling to have the injunctin blocked."
"Thank you." I hung up.

By the time Williams got the injunction blocked most of the Piggy Bankin' machines were gone. "What the hell am I gonna do now?" I thought.

Eventually, Williams and IGT settled out of court. But the effect was that Williams moved away from three reelers and into nine line video.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:

Thanks for the video. It brought back a lot of good memories & one bad one. The only time I gambled in MN was on an Odyssey which took 6 hrs to hit the bonus! Just surprised that they are still around because I thought IGT won a lawsuit which put Silicon Gaming out of business.

Here's another Odyssey advantage slot game called Buccaneer Gold. If you watch the video you will see how the daggers get banked. I you found one with 2 daggers to go, it was advantage. One to go and it was massive advantage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITv0uotEKK8

About 12 years ago Odyssey manufactured 4 play machines in FP Deuces and 4700 Joker in quarter and dollar. These machines were installed at least at the Fiesta and Arizona Charlie's (original locations). Since multi-line machines reduce volatility for the same total amount bet (e. g., quarter on 4 line vs. dollar single play), quarter players flocked to the the quarter machines due to reduced risk.

Unfortunately IGT held a patent on multi-line games and prevailed in a lawsuit prohibiting Odyssey from putting out the machines. Odyssey seemed to disappear after that, although I don't know whether they were acquired by IGT or went out of business.

LA Bum

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@ wrote:
>
> Thanks for the video. It brought back a lot of good memories & one bad
> one. The only time I gambled in MN was on an Odyssey which took 6 hrs to hit
> the bonus! Just surprised that they are still around because I thought IGT
> won a lawsuit which put Silicon Gaming out of business.
>
>
As I remember it Silicon Gaming got into bigtime money trouble by trying to get to big to fast and IGT bought them out just to put them out of business.

The 4-play Jokers and Deuces were in Fiesta, Arizona Charlie's and Santa Fe Station. In December 1998 I went up to Fiesta to play the 4-plays. The promotion was .2% CB to be received in the first five days of January for all the points you ran in December. I intended to only playe the 3X days to get .6%. But a funny thing happened while I was there. The bulk of the machines were near the sports book. But there were two machines right next to that Panda fast food joint. They were stuck on 2X points so I played straight through. And on 3X days I was getting 6X. Believe it or not, out of all the players who worked that promotion, I was the only one who discovered it. I had no problem getting those machines. I pretty much lived in the Fiesta hotel that December.

Santa Fe wasn't worth going to because there was no promotion.

I went over to Arizona Charlie's one day to see what was going on with there 4-plays. When I got just inside the door I seen the drum. There was some kind of drawing promotion going on. I looked to my right to see the Odyssey's, 8 on one side, 8 on the other. On the side I could see, 4 players had 8 machines locked up. I walked to the other side, 4 players had 8 machines locked up. Looks like I'm late to the party I thought. I had my own gig at the Fiesta and left them alone.

RE: IGT prohibiting Silicon From Putting Out The Machines

There was no way IGT could do that. 4-play was a late arrival to the Silicon ballgame. The early games were video slots like Fort Knox, Lady of Fortune, Buccaneer Gold, Riddle of the Sphinx (all advantage slot games), Krazy Keno, and single line video poker games like Jacks or Better Bonus Playoff and Deuces Wild Bonus Playoff. All Silicon had to do was pull the 4-play and put the other games back on.

I did some googling around and it turns out there is a website devoted to Odyssey owners and enthusiasts. I'll put up the link. Read the post by RenoKeith. Silicon lost money every year they were in operation. In October 2000 Silicon was in talks with IGT. In December 2000 they agreed to merge. In March 2001 IGT announced the merger was complete.

http://www.robertwinter.com/slot/odyssey/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "labum63" <labum63@...> wrote:

About 12 years ago Odyssey manufactured 4 play machines in FP Deuces and 4700 Joker in quarter and dollar. These machines were installed at least at the Fiesta and Arizona Charlie's (original locations). Since multi-line machines reduce volatility for the same total amount bet (e. g., quarter on 4 line vs. dollar single play), quarter players flocked to the the quarter machines due to reduced risk.

Unfortunately IGT held a patent on multi-line games and prevailed in a lawsuit prohibiting Odyssey from putting out the machines. Odyssey seemed to disappear after that, although I don't know whether they were acquired by IGT or went out of business.

LA Bum

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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> As I remember it Silicon Gaming got into bigtime money trouble by trying to get to big to fast and IGT bought them out just to put them out of business.

An added note: According to RenoKeith, IGT bought back 90% of the machines from the casinos and destroyed them.

Don't forget to mention Sam's Town. There were 8 or 15 (4 or 5 back to back) and on our trip to LV from NH, we played them as long as we could stand it for 3-4 days. Ended up with 2 royals and numbers of deuces I can't count. Each set of ducks and royals were hand pays so that slowed things down. Sma's lost their shirt on these machines I heard.

And then, around 1999 or so, the Nevada Palace next to Sam's Town got 2 of them but not with deuces. 9/6 JOB was the game and you could rattle off comps and cash back very easily in that low rolling joint. (Their restaurant had great meals.) My wife got her first royal there in June 2000. And you got entries in their annual November classic car drawings. I always wondered how I'd drive a '57 Chevy back to NH if I won it.

Those really were the days.

Joe

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "labum63" <labum63@> wrote:
>
> About 12 years ago Odyssey manufactured 4 play machines in FP Deuces and 4700 Joker in quarter and dollar. These machines were installed at least at the Fiesta and Arizona Charlie's (original locations). Since multi-line machines reduce volatility for the same total amount bet (e. g., quarter on 4 line vs. dollar single play), quarter players flocked to the the quarter machines due to reduced risk.
>
> Unfortunately IGT held a patent on multi-line games and prevailed in a lawsuit prohibiting Odyssey from putting out the machines. Odyssey seemed to disappear after that, although I don't know whether they were acquired by IGT or went out of business.
>
> LA Bum
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> >
> > As I remember it Silicon Gaming got into bigtime money trouble by trying to get to big to fast and IGT bought them out just to put them out of business.
>
>
>
The 4-play Jokers and Deuces were in Fiesta, Arizona Charlie's and Santa Fe Station. In December 1998 I went up to Fiesta to play the 4-plays. The promotion was .2% CB to be received in the first five days of January for all the points you ran in December. I intended to only playe the 3X days to get .6%. But a funny thing happened while I was there. The bulk of the machines were near the sports book. But there were two machines right next to that Panda fast food joint. They were stuck on 2X points so I played straight through. And on 3X days I was getting 6X. Believe it or not, out of all the players who worked that promotion, I was the only one who discovered it. I had no problem getting those machines. I pretty much lived in the Fiesta hotel that December.

Santa Fe wasn't worth going to because there was no promotion.

I went over to Arizona Charlie's one day to see what was going on with there 4-plays. When I got just inside the door I seen the drum. There was some kind of drawing promotion going on. I looked to my right to see the Odyssey's, 8 on one side, 8 on the other. On the side I could see, 4 players had 8 machines locked up. I walked to the other side, 4 players had 8 machines locked up. Looks like I'm late to the party I thought. I had my own gig at the Fiesta and left them alone.

RE: IGT prohibiting Silicon From Putting Out The Machines

There was no way IGT could do that. 4-play was a late arrival to the Silicon ballgame. The early games were video slots like Fort Knox, Lady of Fortune, Buccaneer Gold, Riddle of the Sphinx (all advantage slot games), Krazy Keno, and single line video poker games like Jacks or Better Bonus Playoff and Deuces Wild Bonus Playoff. All Silicon had to do was pull the 4-play and put the other games back on.

I did some googling around and it turns out there is a website devoted to Odyssey owners and enthusiasts. I'll put up the link. Read the post by RenoKeith. Silicon lost money every year they were in operation. In October 2000 Silicon was in talks with IGT. In December 2000 they agreed to merge. In March 2001 IGT announced the merger was complete.

http://www.robertwinter.com/slot/odyssey/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10

The speed and ergonomics of the Odysseys made it almost 'mandatory' to play two machines at the same time.

Loved the western theme music and the trivia questions while waiting for a fill or handpay.

Don the Dentist

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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

. I looked to my right to see the Odyssey's, 8 on one side, 8 on the other. On the side I could see, 4 players had 8 machines locked up. I walked to the other side, 4 players had 8 machines locked up.

Playing 4-Play on one machine a $2000 an hour wager was about all you could do. Pretty much all of their inventory of video games played slow. Flip it over. The ploppies couldn't lose fast enough compared to the IGT games. Just one of the problems the Silicon machines had.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don the Dentist" <dds6@...> wrote:

The speed and ergonomics of the Odysseys made it almost 'mandatory' to play two machines at the same time.

I've always wondered what game that was, that was dealt by the magic white gloves...i see it in the opening credits of those "Las Vegas Uncovered" programs...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don the Dentist" <dds6@> wrote:
>
> The speed and ergonomics of the Odysseys made it almost 'mandatory' to play two machines at the same time.
>
Playing 4-Play on one machine a $2000 an hour wager was about all you could do. Pretty much all of their inventory of video games played slow. Flip it over. The ploppies couldn't lose fast enough compared to the IGT games. Just one of the problems the Silicon machines had.

The ploppies could not get to a machine at Fiesta, the pig people would tie them up with $100 credit and hold them for their friends!

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>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don the Dentist" <dds6@> wrote:
> >
> > The speed and ergonomics of the Odysseys made it almost 'mandatory' to play two machines at the same time.
> >
> Playing 4-Play on one machine a $2000 an hour wager was about all you could do. Pretty much all of their inventory of video games played slow. Flip it over. The ploppies couldn't lose fast enough compared to the IGT games. Just one of the problems the Silicon machines had.
>

There is a video on youtube of the Lady of Fortune game on the Odyssey's. I can't get the link to work. Could someone who knows how to do it put it up. It's a good demonstration of how slow their games could be.

Mickey wrote:

There is a video on youtube of the Lady of Fortune game on the Odyssey's. I can't get the link to work. Could someone who knows how to do it put it up. It's a good demonstration of how slow their games could be.

Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aciYrBlAKS4

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...>

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>

Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aciYrBlAKS4

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

Thanks for putting it up, vp-connoisseur. Lady of Fortune was an advantage slot game. You got to the bonus round by filling in the icons in the center ring that says Bonus Round. If you found one with at least 6 of the icons filled in, you had an advantage through collecting the bonus. And the more icons that were filled in the bigger advantage you had.