got my downgraded sag card yesterday. Bye MS
Mel
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "TED" <Freedom_Fighter56@...> wrote:
Just got my new Sag card today.
How about everybody else?
Don't know how much I'll be going, with what MS did to VP.
October Cards
I received mine also. How nice of them. I may make a few trips between now March on my wife's Sachem for shows and to use up our points. After that it will be done.
Joel
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From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:20 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
got my downgraded sag card yesterday. Bye MS
Mel
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "TED" <Freedom_Fighter56@...> wrote:
Just got my new Sag card today.
How about everybody else?
Don't know how much I'll be going, with what MS did to VP.
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No card in the mail yet. As dollar machine gamblers, 5 hours on their short pay VP pays the airfare to Vegas.
Ok Haaljo explain to me how playing on their short pay( 8/5 JOB ? ). pays for airfare considering the expected loss.
...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
SHIT ...
Larry F.
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Larry wrote:.
...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
Larry: I believe the Ma\. Indians are different from the Ct\. groups\.\.\.\.\.Also on the data base: Are all the machines at the South Point multiple line games? I'm not sure I'm reading the chart correctly but it appears none are single line, am I correct? Sorry for changing the topic in midsteam\!\!
Rod.....
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--- On Fri, 10/21/11, lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net> wrote:
From: lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 9:31 PM
8/5 JB = 97.29% E.V. (Tom Ski's Video Poker (basic) Stragety Master)
$5/hand x 600 hands/hr x 5 hours = $15K action.
$15K action x 3% expected loss = $450.
Looks like we can buy the "big seats" on Jet Blue.
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
>
> No card in the mail yet. As dollar machine gamblers, 5 hours on their short pay VP pays the airfare to Vegas.Ok Haaljo explain to me how playing on their short pay( 8/5 JOB ? ). pays for airfare considering the expected loss.
> ...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
SHIT ...
Larry F.
Dori and I have been staying at the South Pointe for 5 years and most games are single line. No multi play NSUG and 9-6 Bonus deluxe. Great place and easy to get comps with about 15 to 20k a day. Any questions just email me as we know lots of people there,
Merl
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Rod Carlon <vprod618@...> wrote:
--- On Fri, 10/21/11, lfcmja@... <lfcmja@...> wrote:
From: lfcmja@... <lfcmja@...>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 9:31 PMÂ
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Larry wrote:.
> ...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
       Larry: I believe the Ma. Indians are different from the Ct. groups.....Also on the data base: Are all the machines at the South Point multiple line games?   I'm not sure I'm reading the chart correctly but it appears none are single line, am I correct? Sorry for changing the topic in midsteam!!   Â
Rod.....[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks Mel, could you give me a name of a host? Many thanks, Rod\.\.\.\.
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--- On Sat, 10/22/11, mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 12:00 AM
Dori and I have been staying at the South Pointe for 5 years and most games are single line. No multi play NSUG and 9-6 Bonus deluxe. Great place and easy to get comps with about 15 to 20k a day. Any questions just email me as we know lots of people there,
Merl
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Rod Carlon <vprod618@...> wrote:
--- On Fri, 10/21/11, lfcmja@... <lfcmja@...> wrote:
From: lfcmja@... <lfcmja@...>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 9:31 PMÂ
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Larry wrote:.
> ...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
       Larry: I believe the Ma. Indians are different from the Ct. groups.....Also on the data base: Are all the machines at the South Point multiple line games?   I'm not sure I'm reading the chart correctly but it appears none are single line, am I correct? Sorry for changing the topic in midsteam!!   Â
Rod.....[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kelly Juliano or Courtney Whitaker.
I have used them both and they are good. If you have never stayed there don't expect a comp upfront. They will evaluate you play and comp accordingly. We have a long history with them so we get things upfront.
Mel
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Rod Carlon <vprod618@...> wrote:
    Thanks Mel, could you give me a name of a host? Many thanks, Rod....
--- On Sat, 10/22/11, mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@...> wrote:
From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@...>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 12:00 AMÂ
Dori and I have been staying at the South Pointe for 5 years and most games are single line. No multi play NSUG and 9-6 Bonus deluxe. Great place and easy to get comps with about 15 to 20k a day. Any questions just email me as we know lots of people there,
Merl--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Rod Carlon <vprod618@> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/21/11, lfcmja@ <lfcmja@> wrote:
>
>
> From: lfcmja@ <lfcmja@>
> Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
> To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 9:31 PM
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> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Larry wrote:.
>
> > ...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
>
> ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Larry: I believe the Ma. Indians are different from the Ct. groups.....Also on the data base:ÃÂ Are all the machines at the South Point multiple line games?ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ I'm not sure I'm reading the chart correctly but it appears none are single line, am I correct?ÃÂ Sorry for changing the topic in midsteam!!ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ
> Rod.....
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Haaljo,
Seems like I misinterpreted your post. I thought that you were playing these machines and thought that the bennies would pay for your seat. But you're not playing them. Am I correct ?
Larry F.
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
8/5 JB = 97.29% E.V. (Tom Ski's Video Poker (basic) Stragety Master)
$5/hand x 600 hands/hr x 5 hours = $15K action.
$15K action x 3% expected loss = $450.Looks like we can buy the "big seats" on Jet Blue.
We are not gambling on 97% machines (except for "quick hits":-).
The plays in Nevada are fair bets.
I've been reading more articles from Pittsburgh gambling reporter. Here's another good article:
www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/ae/gambling/s_757201.html
"...The study found that few players would be able to tell that any two machines had different payout rates. That means casinos might want to think twice about reducing the house advantage on machines in hopes of being known for "loose" slots, the study said.
"It is very unlikely that a player would be able to legitimately detect a 1 to 2 percent change in the payback percentage," the study said. "The findings of this study fail to support concerns that frequent players will detect changes in (house advantage) over time."
Ouch!
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
Haaljo,
Seems like I misinterpreted your post. I thought that you were playing these machines and thought that the bennies would pay for your seat. But you're not playing them. Am I correct ?
Larry F.
Not sure if I get this.maybe I missed a post. Tell me if I'm wrong but
doesn't Mohegan still have 9/6 JB but without points? (If not at $5 they did
have 96 $1 with 25 coin in.) If so, isn't the comparison playing the 9/6 at
MS vs. maybe a 9/6 in Vegas? If so, the game is a wash and the advantage is
whatever comps you get in Vegas. If a casino is giving you 2%-3% there in
total comps (freeplay, travel, meals, etc) that's great.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_NewEngland%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
8/5 JB = 97.29% E.V. (Tom Ski's Video Poker (basic) Stragety Master)
$5/hand x 600 hands/hr x 5 hours = $15K action.
$15K action x 3% expected loss = $450.Looks like we can buy the "big seats" on Jet Blue.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mel,
Let me know when you are going to LV, luv to Join you at stations, sounds like my type of place. Good games, good booze, good people.
Doug
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-----Original Message-----
From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland <vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 6:05 am
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
Kelly Juliano or Courtney Whitaker.
I have used them both and they are good. If you have never stayed there don't expect a comp upfront. They will evaluate you play and comp accordingly. We have a long history with them so we get things upfront.
Mel
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Rod Carlon <vprod618@...> wrote:
    Thanks Mel, could you give me a name of a host? Many thanks, Rod....
--- On Sat, 10/22/11, mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@...> wrote:
From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@...>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 12:00 AMÂ
Dori and I have been staying at the South Pointe for 5 years and most games are single line. No multi play NSUG and 9-6 Bonus deluxe. Great place and easy to get comps with about 15 to 20k a day. Any questions just email me as we know lots of people there,
Merl--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Rod Carlon <vprod618@> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/21/11, lfcmja@ <lfcmja@> wrote:
>
>
> From: lfcmja@ <lfcmja@>
> Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
> To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 9:31 PM
>
>
>
> ÃÂ
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Larry wrote:.
>
> > ...The gambling bill calls for one of the three casino licenses to be awarded to a federally recognized American Indian tribe..."
>
> ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Larry: I believe the Ma. Indians are different from the Ct. groups.....Also on the data base:ÃÂ Are all the machines at the South Point multiple line games?ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ I'm not sure I'm reading the chart correctly but it appears none are single line, am I correct?ÃÂ Sorry for changing the topic in midsteam!!ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ
> Rod.....
>
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I'm not sure what you're smoking but here is a comparison between Mohegan which is now one of the worst plays on the east coast to Vegas. 9/6 when everything else sucks doesn't make it an advantage play.
Mohegan:0 points
Vegas.33 cash back
Mohegan $25 fsp
Vegas $1750 fsp
Mohegan: Gifts that look like urinals and $29 bbq
Vegas: $750 gift cards
Mohegan: downgraded to Sagamore $299 for a Sat room
Vegas: comped 1 or 2 bedroom suite
Mohegan: shitty shows and seats if you can get them
Vegas: preferred seating great shows
Mohegan: Pay for your meals with point (right we don't get any)
Vegas: RFB at restaurants that blow away MS
All I can say is bye bye Mohegan
Joel
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________________________________
From: Rio <riosgambling@optonline.net>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
Not sure if I get this.maybe I missed a post. Tell me if I'm wrong but
doesn't Mohegan still have 9/6 JB but without points? (If not at $5 they did
have 96 $1 with 25 coin in.) If so, isn't the comparison playing the 9/6 at
MS vs. maybe a 9/6 in Vegas? If so, the game is a wash and the advantage is
whatever comps you get in Vegas. If a casino is giving you 2%-3% there in
total comps (freeplay, travel, meals, etc) that's great.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_NewEngland%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
8/5 JB = 97.29% E.V. (Tom Ski's Video Poker (basic) Stragety Master)
$5/hand x 600 hands/hr x 5 hours = $15K action.
$15K action x 3% expected loss = $450.Looks like we can buy the "big seats" on Jet Blue.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I totally agree with you Joel. The other thing that really pisses me off is that they have based their Sachem levels more on profitability as opposed to play. Both you and I play put at least 3x as much coin in as our spouses but because of the way we play they have losses and are at a higher level than us because of our phantom wins.
Mel
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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:
I'm not sure what you're smoking but here is a comparison between Mohegan which is now one of the worst plays on the east coast to Vegas. 9/6 when everything else sucks doesn't make it an advantage play.
Mohegan:0 points
Vegas.33 cash backMohegan $25 fsp
Vegas $1750 fspMohegan: Gifts that look like urinals and $29 bbq
Vegas: $750 gift cardsMohegan: downgraded to Sagamore $299 for a Sat room
Vegas: comped 1 or 2 bedroom suiteMohegan: shitty shows and seats if you can get them
Vegas: preferred seating great showsMohegan: Pay for your meals with point (right we don't get any)
Vegas: RFB at restaurants that blow away MSAll I can say is bye bye Mohegan
Joel
________________________________
From: Rio <riosgambling@...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October CardsÂ
Not sure if I get this.maybe I missed a post. Tell me if I'm wrong but
doesn't Mohegan still have 9/6 JB but without points? (If not at $5 they did
have 96 $1 with 25 coin in.) If so, isn't the comparison playing the 9/6 at
MS vs. maybe a 9/6 in Vegas? If so, the game is a wash and the advantage is
whatever comps you get in Vegas. If a casino is giving you 2%-3% there in
total comps (freeplay, travel, meals, etc) that's great.--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_NewEngland%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
>
> 8/5 JB = 97.29% E.V. (Tom Ski's Video Poker (basic) Stragety Master)
>
> $5/hand x 600 hands/hr x 5 hours = $15K action.
> $15K action x 3% expected loss = $450.
>
> Looks like we can buy the "big seats" on Jet Blue.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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That's right Mel. I forgot to add the downgrade to Sagamore. It seems that Sachem is now based primarily on loss regardless of coin in. After 10 years of similar play, you're downgraded.
Joel
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From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:21 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
I totally agree with you Joel. The other thing that really pisses me off is that they have based their Sachem levels more on profitability as opposed to play. Both you and I play put at least 3x as much coin in as our spouses but because of the way we play they have losses and are at a higher level than us because of our phantom wins.
Mel
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:
I'm not sure what you're smoking but here is a comparison between Mohegan which is now one of the worst plays on the east coast to Vegas. 9/6 when everything else sucks doesn't make it an advantage play.
Mohegan:0 points
Vegas.33 cash backMohegan $25 fsp
Vegas $1750 fspMohegan: Gifts that look like urinals and $29 bbq
Vegas: $750 gift cardsMohegan: downgraded to Sagamore $299 for a Sat room
Vegas: comped 1 or 2 bedroom suiteMohegan: shitty shows and seats if you can get them
Vegas: preferred seating great showsMohegan: Pay for your meals with point (right we don't get any)
Vegas: RFB at restaurants that blow away MSAll I can say is bye bye Mohegan
Joel
________________________________
From: Rio <riosgambling@...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October CardsÂ
Not sure if I get this.maybe I missed a post. Tell me if I'm wrong but
doesn't Mohegan still have 9/6 JB but without points? (If not at $5 they did
have 96 $1 with 25 coin in.) If so, isn't the comparison playing the 9/6 at
MS vs. maybe a 9/6 in Vegas? If so, the game is a wash and the advantage is
whatever comps you get in Vegas. If a casino is giving you 2%-3% there in
total comps (freeplay, travel, meals, etc) that's great.--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_NewEngland%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
>
> 8/5 JB = 97.29% E.V. (Tom Ski's Video Poker (basic) Stragety Master)
>
> $5/hand x 600 hands/hr x 5 hours = $15K action.
> $15K action x 3% expected loss = $450.
>
> Looks like we can buy the "big seats" on Jet Blue.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Wasn’t claiming that Mohegan was better than Vegas just that people seem to throw out all the calculations because they don’t get points. I also have canceled my trips to Mohegan and have taken trips to Vegas and NOLA and have booked trips to a few other places.
Just in theory, I’m guessing that some individuals would rather play at a casino offering a 101% return high denomination game with minimal comps vs a casino that offered a 99.5% game with better comps. I know I often get dinner comps to fancy restaurants that have little value to me and suites that I don’t really care about. If the latter casino is throwing in enough freeplay, travel reimbursement, etc to make it a better play then that may be where I go. It just depends on the analysis: the return on the game and the value the player places on the comps.
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From: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_NewEngl…@…com] On Behalf Of Joel Fink
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:08 AM
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: October Cards
I'm not sure what you're smoking but here is a comparison between Mohegan which is now one of the worst plays on the east coast to Vegas. 9/6 when everything else sucks doesn't make it an advantage play.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]