Observation for Slotguy (Coinstar)

[rrakay]

I saw something this summer out at the Cannery in Las Vegas that I
thought was rather innovative.

Since the advent of TITO machines, there has been no seamless way for
a casino patron to bring in their bucket/rolls/pockets-full of change
and use them in a machine. The Cannery put a Coinstar machine
somewhere near the main cashier. By my way of thinking:

1) They could get a cut of the Coinstar vigorish.
1a) This seems to me like a machine with 7% (???) hold with no
fluctuations.
2) They could print tickets that go directly into their machines (??)
3) They enable customers who would prefer not to take their coins to
the main cage (presumably fresh out of the couch cushions) to avoid a
face-to-face transaction.

and also:

4) The availability of these machines might bring in some undesirables
who are not their target patrons.

I don't know if that is workable in Detroit but I thought I'd share
something that I thought was a pretty smart idea over there at the
Cannery. I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't get out much...

[Terrence_Murphy]

Great idea Slotguy.

I was thinking the same thing a while back when I noticed one of
those machines in a CVS store in Rochester. If I'm like other people
(and my friends and relatives will dispute that) there will be lots
of jars and cans filled with coins just lying around in people's
homes just waiting to be cashed in somewhere. Why not at a casino?
And why not at Greektown?

Obviously, most "normal" people don't spend a lot of time sitting or
standing around a table or machine putting their hard-earned money at
risk, but for those that do, it could be way to get rid of all those
oddball coins.

My advice: Put a two or three (upstairs/doenstairs) in Greektown here
and there and see what happens. Maybe even have a "CASH IN YOUR COINS
DAY!" "We'll give you 10% free of all coins cashed in using our
Coinstar machines on Monday..."

Or maybe you could, somehow, give the money from the machines in the
form of a casino money ticket, ready to be inserted into a slot or vp
machine?

You guys in casino management, should be always thinking, all the
time, about how to get the patrons "in" not about how to get them to
gamble once they are in.

Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

"Being smart in a casino is often the absence of being stupid."
--Andrew Brisman, Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

I saw something this summer out at the Cannery in Las Vegas that I
thought was rather innovative.

Since the advent of TITO machines, there has been no seamless way

for

a casino patron to bring in their bucket/rolls/pockets-full of

change

and use them in a machine. The Cannery put a Coinstar machine
somewhere near the main cashier. By my way of thinking:

1) They could get a cut of the Coinstar vigorish.
1a) This seems to me like a machine with 7% (???) hold with no
fluctuations.
2) They could print tickets that go directly into their machines

(??)

3) They enable customers who would prefer not to take their coins to
the main cage (presumably fresh out of the couch cushions) to avoid

a

face-to-face transaction.

and also:

4) The availability of these machines might bring in some

undesirables

who are not their target patrons.

I don't know if that is workable in Detroit but I thought I'd share
something that I thought was a pretty smart idea over there at the
Cannery. I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't get out

much...

[MIKE_PARSLOW]

Terrence,
Not to change gear's. I will be heading to Greektown prior to Motor City Bowl on 12.26. I haven't been to Greektown in quite a while. I normally play @ MGM. I normally play DB 9/6 .25 @ MGM. Do you know if DB 9/6 is available @ Greektown. If I remember correctly the majority of VP was located upstairs is this still the case.
Thanks,
Mike

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From: Terrence Murphy <tismurph@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:38:38 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] Re: Observation for Slotguy (Coinstar)

Great idea Slotguy.

I was thinking the same thing a while back when I noticed one of
those machines in a CVS store in Rochester. If I'm like other people
(and my friends and relatives will dispute that) there will be lots
of jars and cans filled with coins just lying around in people's
homes just waiting to be cashed in somewhere. Why not at a casino?
And why not at Greektown?

Obviously, most "normal" people don't spend a lot of time sitting or
standing around a table or machine putting their hard-earned money at
risk, but for those that do, it could be way to get rid of all those
oddball coins.

My advice: Put a two or three (upstairs/doenstair s) in Greektown here
and there and see what happens. Maybe even have a "CASH IN YOUR COINS
DAY!" "We'll give you 10% free of all coins cashed in using our
Coinstar machines on Monday..."

Or maybe you could, somehow, give the money from the machines in the
form of a casino money ticket, ready to be inserted into a slot or vp
machine?

You guys in casino management, should be always thinking, all the
time, about how to get the patrons "in" not about how to get them to
gamble once they are in.

Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

"Being smart in a casino is often the absence of being stupid."
--Andrew Brisman, Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@ yahoogroups. com, "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

I saw something this summer out at the Cannery in Las Vegas that I
thought was rather innovative.

Since the advent of TITO machines, there has been no seamless way

for

a casino patron to bring in their bucket/rolls/ pockets-full of

change

and use them in a machine. The Cannery put a Coinstar machine
somewhere near the main cashier. By my way of thinking:

1) They could get a cut of the Coinstar vigorish.
1a) This seems to me like a machine with 7% (???) hold with no
fluctuations.
2) They could print tickets that go directly into their machines

(??)

3) They enable customers who would prefer not to take their coins to
the main cage (presumably fresh out of the couch cushions) to avoid

a

face-to-face transaction.

and also:

4) The availability of these machines might bring in some

undesirables

who are not their target patrons.

I don't know if that is workable in Detroit but I thought I'd share
something that I thought was a pretty smart idea over there at the
Cannery. I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't get out

much...

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[Terrence_Murphy]

Mike,

Yup, GT has lots of 9/6 Jacks or Better in 25 and fifty cents and
also in dollars on a progressive, all upstairs. That game pays 99.54%
and is fine if there is nothing else available, but GT also has a
deuces wild game at 99.73% (NSUD) and Pick'Em Poker at 99.95% in
quarters also.

If you have one of the various video poker tutor programs, like Win
Poker, you can pratice those games before you go there. But remember,
just because you know how to play the games correctly, still doesn't
gusrantee you'll be a winner.

I've got my butt kicked mnay times at the place and I play the games
close to perfect. Overall, I'm probably getting close to the 99% that
Pick'Em pays, long term, since that is what I have mostly played
since they've opened.

Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

"If you always lose, at least you don't have to worry about anyone
stealing your strategies."
--VP Pappy

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, MIKE PARSLOW <mfp71262@...>
wrote:

Terrence,
Not to change gear's. I will be heading to Greektown prior to Motor

City Bowl on 12.26. I haven't been to Greektown in quite a while. I
normally play @ MGM. I normally play DB 9/6 .25 @ MGM. Do you know if
DB 9/6 is available @ Greektown. If I remember correctly the majority
of VP was located upstairs is this still the case.

Thanks,
Mike

________________________________
From: Terrence Murphy <tismurph@...>
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:38:38 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] Re: Observation for Slotguy (Coinstar)

Great idea Slotguy.

I was thinking the same thing a while back when I noticed one of
those machines in a CVS store in Rochester. If I'm like other

people

(and my friends and relatives will dispute that) there will be lots
of jars and cans filled with coins just lying around in people's
homes just waiting to be cashed in somewhere. Why not at a casino?
And why not at Greektown?

Obviously, most "normal" people don't spend a lot of time sitting

or

standing around a table or machine putting their hard-earned money

at

risk, but for those that do, it could be way to get rid of all

those

oddball coins.

My advice: Put a two or three (upstairs/doenstair s) in Greektown

here

and there and see what happens. Maybe even have a "CASH IN YOUR

COINS

DAY!" "We'll give you 10% free of all coins cashed in using our
Coinstar machines on Monday..."

Or maybe you could, somehow, give the money from the machines in

the

form of a casino money ticket, ready to be inserted into a slot or

vp

machine?

You guys in casino management, should be always thinking, all the
time, about how to get the patrons "in" not about how to get them

to

gamble once they are in.

Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

"Being smart in a casino is often the absence of being stupid."
--Andrew Brisman, Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@ yahoogroups. com, "rrakay" <rrakay@> wrote:
>
> I saw something this summer out at the Cannery in Las Vegas that I
> thought was rather innovative.
>
> Since the advent of TITO machines, there has been no seamless way
for
> a casino patron to bring in their bucket/rolls/ pockets-full of
change
> and use them in a machine. The Cannery put a Coinstar machine
> somewhere near the main cashier. By my way of thinking:
>
> 1) They could get a cut of the Coinstar vigorish.
> 1a) This seems to me like a machine with 7% (???) hold with no
> fluctuations.
> 2) They could print tickets that go directly into their machines
(??)
> 3) They enable customers who would prefer not to take their coins

to

> the main cage (presumably fresh out of the couch cushions) to

avoid

a
> face-to-face transaction.
>
> and also:
>
> 4) The availability of these machines might bring in some
undesirables
> who are not their target patrons.
>
> I don't know if that is workable in Detroit but I thought I'd

share

> something that I thought was a pretty smart idea over there at the
> Cannery. I haven't seen this anywhere else, but I don't get out
much...
>

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