I know this has been posted many times, but can someone give me the
"quick" strategy changes for NSUD from FPDW strategy. Winpoker does
not have NSUD so I can't practice the game.
Thank you.
NSUD
Change the deuce schedule to NSUD and you can play to your heart's
content.
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:22:29 -0000, you wrote:
I know this has been posted many times, but can someone give me the
"quick" strategy changes for NSUD from FPDW strategy. Winpoker does
not have NSUD so I can't practice the game.
Thank you.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
Near the bottom of the page:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDDW.htm
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On 1 Jul 2005 at 23:22, jansamp54 wrote:
I know this has been posted many times, but can someone give me the
"quick" strategy changes for NSUD from FPDW strategy.
I know this has been posted many times, but can someone give me the
"quick" strategy changes for NSUD from FPDW strategy.
No offense to the administrator, but the list of changes posted on the site
is incomplete. As an example, a made dealt straight with one deuce, and a
one gap 4 card straight flush ( i.e. 2 + 7c 8c 9d 10c) , in FPDW holding the
made straight is the proper play. However, in NSU holding the straight will
cost you almost 20 % of your bet as holding the 1 gap 4 card straight flush
is better by almost 24 cents if you are playing at the quarter level. To
see my complete list, go to the vpFREE home page, scroll down to message
history to where you see the box labeled search messages. Do not type
anything into this box, but click on the go button that is next to it. At
the top of the page that this takes you to, you will see a smaller box
labeled message #. Type 43271 into this box and click on the go button or
hit enter. This is the message with the complete list.
Winpoker does
not have NSUD so I can't practice the game.
Easy to set up. Open your WinPoker program, click on file, then new.Click
on games and choose deuces wild. Click on options, then change pay tables.
Key in the following numbers:
Royal Flush 4000
Four Deuces 1000
Wild Royal 125
Five of a Kind 80
Straight Flush 50
Four of a Kind 20
Full House 20
Flush 15
Straight 10
Three of Kind 5
Click on OK. Click on file, then save as, and name the game whatever you
like, nsud or dumb ducks or one of your choice. You're done. Now whenever
you want to practice this game, open your WinPoker program, click on file
and then choose the name that you used and you are ready to go. Hope this
helps.
Nudge
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From: "jansamp54" <jansamp@comcast.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] NSUD
you want to practice this game, open your WinPoker program, click on file
and then choose the name that you used and you are ready to go.
Sorry to respond to myself, but above where it says to click on file, add
"then click open". This is what happens when I type at 2 in the morning.
Nudge
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From: "nudge51" <nudge51@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] NSUD
Nudge is correct.
The NSUD adjustments included this change at one time,
but it got deleted inadvertently somewhere in subsequent
edits. It's included again now, along with some other
changes on Nudge's list.
A list of !5/8 LDW adjustments have also been added.
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDDW.htm
<a href="http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDDW.htm">
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDDW.htm</a>
vpFREE Administrator
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On 2 Jul 2005 at 2:06, nudge51 wrote:
No offense to the administrator, but the list of changes posted on the
site is incomplete. As an example, a made dealt straight with one
deuce, and a one gap 4 card straight flush ( i.e. 2 + 7c 8c 9d 10c) , in
FPDW holding the made straight is the proper play. However, in NSU
holding the straight will cost you almost 20 % of your bet as holding
the 1 gap 4 card straight flush is better by almost 24 cents if you are
playing at the quarter level.
The NSUD adjustments included this change at one time,
but it got deleted inadvertently somewhere in subsequent
edits.
Not to belabor the changes for NSU issue, but something is either accurate
or it's not. I still recommend that the serious player use the chart that I
posted. Here are a couple of examples why. With one deuce, you have a
dealt flush containing 3 consecutive connectors with the top card in a
potential draw being 8 or higher, such as
2+ 5c 6c 7c Kc. In FPDW, the accurate player will drop the Kc in favor of
the 4 card straight flush draw. If you do the same on this hand playing
quarter NSU, because of the extra value of the flush, it will cost you
almost 70 cents for not holding the made flush. Not sure about the rest of
you, but to me this is a huge error. As I noted in another post, you would
hold a 2+ 3 honors for the dirty royal draw. On another one deuce hand, the
site accurately shows the 4 card straight flush with one gap as being
superior to made trips. This hand would also be preferred to made trips if
it had two gaps. As an example, 2+ 5c 7c 9c 9d, this TWO gap straight flush
draw would be preferred to the made trips by a little more than 6 cents at
the quarter level. Granted, this is a smaller error difference than my
previous example and considerably less than made trips vs a one gap 4 STFL,
but I don't see this as being difficult for an experienced player to spot.
Now before anyone jumps on me for being a hypocrite, I will admit that I
intentionally included an error on my own list of changes. With no deuces I
show that ALL 3 STFL open draws are better than 4 ST open. This is
technically not true. The site shows that 3 STFL 567 suited or higher is
greater than 4 ST open. This also is not completely true. Take 3c 4c 5 c
6d x, and you will see that the 3 STFL is the superior hold, but take
4c 5c 6c 7d x, you will see that holding the ST 4 is he proper play. When
we continue starting with 567, 678,etc., etc., we see that now we are back
to holding the 3 STFL. My reason for not showing this exception was that I
originally made this change sheet up for my wife, who still to this day will
only play 3 games, either deuces, deuces, or deuces. By making her these
sheets, I have been able to extend her play to other variations like NSU,
Sam's bonus, progressives, etc, but I felt showing the 456 exception would
have caused her to ask me why. I would have then had to get into the
explanation that when you have the 345 hold, you still have access to
complete a bicycle straight flush or bicycle straight, but starting with 456
you can't. Also I might have had to mention that the proximity to the deuce
problem existed with both hands, but that with the 345 it didn't matter
because of the extra STFL and ST that she could make. Since the error on
this one hand was less than three cents,and frequency of occurrence would be
quite low, I chose the easy way out and told her to play all of them.
Each player has to make their own choice of what an acceptable error rate
is, and I know than some folks won't be concerned with six cents, maybe a
lot more will be if the error is 70 cents, but I look at it this way: If I
studied and practiced hard learning a game with a positive return, why
should it be any different on a game like NSU, with a negative one. My
striving for accuracy is even more heightened on sub 100% games because,
without club perks and/or promotions, I will be long term loser. Just my
opinion, I could be wrong.
Nudge
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From: "vpFREE" <vpFREE@Cox.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NSUD
You can go to 'Options' and 'Change Paytable' for any of the
predefined games and set any of the values to whatever you want, this
is great for progressives and short pay games. You can also save as
many of the versions of games you want under 'file' and 'save as' this
is especially good for games like Multi Strike where you have 4
levels, then they are easy to pull up whenever you want. Also since
there most likely wont be any updates to WinPoker and with all the new
games that are out, you may want to get used to the define game
feature, it is good for games like Super Aces or Super Dbl Bonus and
may more, the program is very powerful and flexible.
Happy Royals
Jim
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jansamp54" <jansamp@c...> wrote:
I know this has been posted many times, but can someone give me the
"quick" strategy changes for NSUD from FPDW strategy. Winpoker does
not have NSUD so I can't practice the game.
Thank you.