Someone PLEASE save me the research and tell me if the NSUD strategy for
Spin Poker and multi-strike is the same as regular NSUD.
Definitely NOT interested in learning another strategy so if the answer is "no" let it rest there!
NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike
The strategy for Spin Poker is exactly the same as a regular video
poker machine; Spin Poker is basically a different way of displaying
nine-play video poker . As far as multi-strike... no, the strategy is
not the same. There Mike, you have your answer, you can stop reading,
but I'm going to explain to anyone else interested since I find the
Multi-Strike machines a hell of a lot of fun, and because I have a
tendency to ramble incessantly about things I find interesting.
You don't have to learn a new strategy for Multi-Strike. You have to
learn THREE new strategies for Multi-Strike. When you're playing Level
4 or a Free Ride hand, you play normal strategy. Levels 1, 2, and 3
are all weighted more toward getting ANY paying hand so you can work
your way up the scale to the higher paying hands. Michael Shackleford,
the Wizard of Odds, has published strategy tables for both JoB http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix2.html
and FPDW http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix1.html . If you
prefer to play a different game (such as the NSUD Mike was talking
about) you can generate a strategy table by adding 6 to each base
payout for level 1, 4 to each base payout for Level 2, and 2 to each
base payout for level 3; e.g. 9/6 JoB goes 806/56/31/15/12/10/9/8/7 at
Level 1, 804/54/29/13/10/8/7/6/5 at Level 2, and
802/52/27/11/8/6/5/4/3 on Level 3. Plug the numbers into your favorite
strategy guide generator and you're all set.
If you want to give Multi-Strike a whirl without dropping coin, the
maker's website has regular, Five Play, and Super Times Pay versions
available to play on their website for free. It's all at www.ledgaming.com
. Have fun!
···
On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, mike wrote:
Someone PLEASE save me the research and tell me if the NSUD strategy
for
Spin Poker and multi-strike is the same as regular NSUD.
Definitely NOT interested in learning another strategy so if the
answer is "no" let it rest there!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Many thanks to both of you for giving me a speedy answer. I will be exploring Spin Poker NSUD on my upcoming Reno trip.
As for Multi-Strike-I will be avoiding this game like the plague!
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@...> wrote:
The strategy for Spin Poker is exactly the same as a regular video
poker machine; Spin Poker is basically a different way of displaying
nine-play video poker . As far as multi-strike... no, the strategy is
not the same. There Mike, you have your answer, you can stop reading,
but I'm going to explain to anyone else interested since I find the
Multi-Strike machines a hell of a lot of fun, and because I have a
tendency to ramble incessantly about things I find interesting.You don't have to learn a new strategy for Multi-Strike. You have to
learn THREE new strategies for Multi-Strike. When you're playing Level
4 or a Free Ride hand, you play normal strategy. Levels 1, 2, and 3
are all weighted more toward getting ANY paying hand so you can work
your way up the scale to the higher paying hands. Michael Shackleford,
the Wizard of Odds, has published strategy tables for both JoB http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix2.html
and FPDW http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix1.html . If you
prefer to play a different game (such as the NSUD Mike was talking
about) you can generate a strategy table by adding 6 to each base
payout for level 1, 4 to each base payout for Level 2, and 2 to each
base payout for level 3; e.g. 9/6 JoB goes 806/56/31/15/12/10/9/8/7 at
Level 1, 804/54/29/13/10/8/7/6/5 at Level 2, and
802/52/27/11/8/6/5/4/3 on Level 3. Plug the numbers into your favorite
strategy guide generator and you're all set.If you want to give Multi-Strike a whirl without dropping coin, the
maker's website has regular, Five Play, and Super Times Pay versions
available to play on their website for free. It's all at www.ledgaming.com
. Have fun!On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, mike wrote:
> Someone PLEASE save me the research and tell me if the NSUD strategy
> for
> Spin Poker and multi-strike is the same as regular NSUD.
> Definitely NOT interested in learning another strategy so if the
> answer is "no" let it rest there!
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yea, I used to be like you avoiding Multistrike like the plague.
I got hooked. It's the crack cocaine of video poker. Big monkey on my gambling back. It's also a great spectator game when imbibing. Couple of tenth % better EV and some other advantages. But such a ride!
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
Many thanks to both of you for giving me a speedy answer. I will be exploring Spin Poker NSUD on my upcoming Reno trip.
As for Multi-Strike-I will be avoiding this game like the plague!--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@> wrote:
>
> The strategy for Spin Poker is exactly the same as a regular video
> poker machine; Spin Poker is basically a different way of displaying
> nine-play video poker . As far as multi-strike... no, the strategy is
> not the same. There Mike, you have your answer, you can stop reading,
> but I'm going to explain to anyone else interested since I find the
> Multi-Strike machines a hell of a lot of fun, and because I have a
> tendency to ramble incessantly about things I find interesting.
>
> You don't have to learn a new strategy for Multi-Strike. You have to
> learn THREE new strategies for Multi-Strike. When you're playing Level
> 4 or a Free Ride hand, you play normal strategy. Levels 1, 2, and 3
> are all weighted more toward getting ANY paying hand so you can work
> your way up the scale to the higher paying hands. Michael Shackleford,
> the Wizard of Odds, has published strategy tables for both JoB http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix2.html
> and FPDW http://wizardofodds.com/multistrike/appendix1.html . If you
> prefer to play a different game (such as the NSUD Mike was talking
> about) you can generate a strategy table by adding 6 to each base
> payout for level 1, 4 to each base payout for Level 2, and 2 to each
> base payout for level 3; e.g. 9/6 JoB goes 806/56/31/15/12/10/9/8/7 at
> Level 1, 804/54/29/13/10/8/7/6/5 at Level 2, and
> 802/52/27/11/8/6/5/4/3 on Level 3. Plug the numbers into your favorite
> strategy guide generator and you're all set.
>
> If you want to give Multi-Strike a whirl without dropping coin, the
> maker's website has regular, Five Play, and Super Times Pay versions
> available to play on their website for free. It's all at www.ledgaming.com
> . Have fun!
>
> On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, mike wrote:
>
> > Someone PLEASE save me the research and tell me if the NSUD strategy
> > for
> > Spin Poker and multi-strike is the same as regular NSUD.
> > Definitely NOT interested in learning another strategy so if the
> > answer is "no" let it rest there!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I don't completely agree with spin poker having identical strategy as regular video poker. The holds in the middle or #3 position have more value towards your final results than holds in the other four positions. The middle row, #3 position (the center square) has 5 of the nine paylines going through it, while no other square has more than 4 paylines. Not sure how this would play out in deuces, but it somewhat changes strategies in games like DDB and TDB for sure.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
--------------------------------------------------
From: "JK Grence" <jkgrence@...>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike>
> You don't have to learn a new strategy for Multi-Strike. You have to
> learn THREE new strategies for Multi-Strike.I don't know if I posted this before, as in Feb. I had the geek squad do a
file transfer and they blew it on my saved email files and crippled the
drive. Haven't figured a way to get it to boot yet, but I will when I find
some time to fiddle with it. Anyway, when the MS games came out a few years
ago, I decided to make a chart on the NSUD version to indicate all of the
changes to the normal NSUD strategy and on which levels to makes them. For
those of you brave enough in your quest to slay this beast for the extra two
or so tenths, this may help facilitate the learning process if you have
already mastered the standard strategy. All the entries on each level are
just deviations that you would make to increase expectations to produce any
win in order to advance to the next level. Since I made this, VPW came out
and the actual strategy for MS-NSUD is in there but I never took the time to
compare my chart to Dancer's strategy. If anyone spots any errors, please
let me know.CHANGES MADE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS
CHANGES MADE ON ALL THREE LEVELS
NO DEUCE
1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
REDRAW >TQ, JQ
REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
REDRAW > A34,A35, OR A45
REDRAW > 2 CD. STFLONE DEUCE
PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
2 ONLY > ALL 3 W.R. A HICHANGES MADE ON LEVEL 1 & 2
NO DEUCE
1 PAIR > 4 FLUSH
REDRAW > ALL 3 STFL w 2 GAPS
REDRAW > (TJ), (7TJ), (TQ), (JQ)ONE DEUCE
PAT FLUSH > ALL 4 CD. W.R.
4 ST OPEN 2-567 TO 2-9TJ > ALL 3 STFLMULTI STRIKE CHANGES
FOR NSUD BY LEVELLEV. 1
NO DEUCE
1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
1 PAIR > 4 FLUSH
1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
(TJQ) > Prs. OF 3 's THRU 7 's & 10 's
Prs. OF 8 's, 9 's, K 's A 's > (TJQ)
ALL Prs. > 3 ROY K & A HI
4 FLUSH > 3 ROY A HI
3 STFL w 1 GAP ONLY > REDRAW w 0 PEN *
REDRAW > (TJ), (7TJ), (TQ), (JQ)
REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
REDRAW > A34,A35, OR A45
REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
REDRAW > ALL 3 STFL w 2 GAPS
* due to deuce xposur, include 345 & 456ONE DEUCE
PAT FLUSH > ALL 4 CD. W.R.
PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
4 W.R. Q HI > PAT STRAIGHT
PAT STRAIGHT > 4 W.R. K & A HI
PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
PAT TRIPS > 4 CD K & A HI W.R.
3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
3 STFL OPEN 2-67 > 2-JQ BUT < 2-TQ
3 STFL 2-56 w 0 PEN ONLY > REDRAW
4 ST OPEN 2-567 TO 2-9TJ > ALL 3 STFL
ALL 3 STFL w 1 GAP 2+57 TO 2+9J w 0
PEN ONLY > 2
2 > 3 W.R. K HI AND A HI
2 > 2-45sLEV. 2
NO DEUCE
1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
1 PAIR > 4 FLUSH
1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
REDRAW > (TJ), (7TJ), (TQ), (JQ)
ALL Prs. > 3 ROY. A HI
4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
REDRAW > A34,A35, OR A45
REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
REDRAW > ALL 3 STFL w 2 GAPSONE DEUCE
PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
PAT TRIPS > 4 CD A HI W.R.
PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
PAT FLUSH > ALL 4 CD. W.R.
REDRAW > 2-45s
3 STFL 2-56 w 1 ST PEN AT THE LIMIT
ONLY > 2
2 > ANY 3 W.R. A HI
4 ST OPEN 2-567 TO 2-9TJ > ALL 3 STFL
4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL 1 GAP 2-(56)
& 2-(57) TO 2-(9J)
3 STFL w 1 GAP 2+57 TO 2+9J w 1 ST
PEN AT THE LIMIT ONLY > 2
3 W.R. K HI w 0 OR 9 ST PEN ONLY > 2
3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HILEV. 3
NO DEUCE
1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
REDRAW > A34, A35, OR A45
TJ w 0 or 1 ST PEN ONLY > REDRAW
7TJ w 0 PEN > TJ BUT w ST PEN
REDRAW > 7TJ & TJ
3 STFL, 2 GAP 7-Q HI w 0 PEN
ONLY > REDRAWONE DEUCE
PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
REDRAW > 2-45s
3 W.R. K HI w 1 ST & 1 FLU PEN > 2 ONLY
2 > 3 W.R. A HI
PAT FLUSH > 4 W.R. A HI
3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
Nudge
Um... when you hold something, the card expands across all three rows
of that particular column. So, over the long run the odds of hitting a
royal in any particular row are identical, and therefore the payout
across the board is identical... in the very, very long run, of course.
···
On Jun 14, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jim wrote:
I don't completely agree with spin poker having identical strategy
as regular video poker. The holds in the middle or #3 position have
more value towards your final results than holds in the other four
positions. The middle row, #3 position (the center square) has 5 of
the nine paylines going through it, while no other square has more
than 4 paylines. Not sure how this would play out in deuces, but it
somewhat changes strategies in games like DDB and TDB for sure.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "JK Grence" <jkgrence@...>
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike
>
> >
> > You don't have to learn a new strategy for Multi-Strike. You
have to
> > learn THREE new strategies for Multi-Strike.
>
> I don't know if I posted this before, as in Feb. I had the geek
squad do a
> file transfer and they blew it on my saved email files and
crippled the
> drive. Haven't figured a way to get it to boot yet, but I will
when I find
> some time to fiddle with it. Anyway, when the MS games came out a
few years
> ago, I decided to make a chart on the NSUD version to indicate all
of the
> changes to the normal NSUD strategy and on which levels to makes
them. For
> those of you brave enough in your quest to slay this beast for the
extra two
> or so tenths, this may help facilitate the learning process if you
have
> already mastered the standard strategy. All the entries on each
level are
> just deviations that you would make to increase expectations to
produce any
> win in order to advance to the next level. Since I made this, VPW
came out
> and the actual strategy for MS-NSUD is in there but I never took
the time to
> compare my chart to Dancer's strategy. If anyone spots any errors,
please
> let me know.
>
> CHANGES MADE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS
>
> CHANGES MADE ON ALL THREE LEVELS
> NO DEUCE
> 1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
> 1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
> 4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
> REDRAW >TQ, JQ
> REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
> REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
> REDRAW > A34,A35, OR A45
> REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
>
> ONE DEUCE
> PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
> PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
> 3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
> 2 ONLY > ALL 3 W.R. A HI
>
> CHANGES MADE ON LEVEL 1 & 2
> NO DEUCE
> 1 PAIR > 4 FLUSH
> REDRAW > ALL 3 STFL w 2 GAPS
> REDRAW > (TJ), (7TJ), (TQ), (JQ)
>
> ONE DEUCE
> PAT FLUSH > ALL 4 CD. W.R.
> 4 ST OPEN 2-567 TO 2-9TJ > ALL 3 STFL
>
> MULTI STRIKE CHANGES
> FOR NSUD BY LEVEL
>
> LEV. 1
> NO DEUCE
> 1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
> 1 PAIR > 4 FLUSH
> 1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
> 4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
> (TJQ) > Prs. OF 3 's THRU 7 's & 10 's
> Prs. OF 8 's, 9 's, K 's A 's > (TJQ)
> ALL Prs. > 3 ROY K & A HI
> 4 FLUSH > 3 ROY A HI
> 3 STFL w 1 GAP ONLY > REDRAW w 0 PEN *
> REDRAW > (TJ), (7TJ), (TQ), (JQ)
> REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
> REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
> REDRAW > A34,A35, OR A45
> REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
> REDRAW > ALL 3 STFL w 2 GAPS
> * due to deuce xposur, include 345 & 456
>
> ONE DEUCE
> PAT FLUSH > ALL 4 CD. W.R.
> PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
> 4 W.R. Q HI > PAT STRAIGHT
> PAT STRAIGHT > 4 W.R. K & A HI
> PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
> PAT TRIPS > 4 CD K & A HI W.R.
> 3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
> 3 STFL OPEN 2-67 > 2-JQ BUT < 2-TQ
> 3 STFL 2-56 w 0 PEN ONLY > REDRAW
> 4 ST OPEN 2-567 TO 2-9TJ > ALL 3 STFL
> ALL 3 STFL w 1 GAP 2+57 TO 2+9J w 0
> PEN ONLY > 2
> 2 > 3 W.R. K HI AND A HI
> 2 > 2-45s
>
> LEV. 2
> NO DEUCE
> 1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
> 1 PAIR > 4 FLUSH
> 1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
> REDRAW > (TJ), (7TJ), (TQ), (JQ)
> ALL Prs. > 3 ROY. A HI
> 4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
> REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
> REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
> REDRAW > A34,A35, OR A45
> REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
> REDRAW > ALL 3 STFL w 2 GAPS
>
> ONE DEUCE
> PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
> PAT TRIPS > 4 CD A HI W.R.
> PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
> PAT FLUSH > ALL 4 CD. W.R.
> REDRAW > 2-45s
> 3 STFL 2-56 w 1 ST PEN AT THE LIMIT
> ONLY > 2
> 2 > ANY 3 W.R. A HI
> 4 ST OPEN 2-567 TO 2-9TJ > ALL 3 STFL
> 4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL 1 GAP 2-(56)
> & 2-(57) TO 2-(9J)
> 3 STFL w 1 GAP 2+57 TO 2+9J w 1 ST
> PEN AT THE LIMIT ONLY > 2
> 3 W.R. K HI w 0 OR 9 ST PEN ONLY > 2
> 3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
>
> LEV. 3
> NO DEUCE
> 1 PAIR > 2 PAIR
> 1 PAIR > 3 STFL OPEN
> 4 ST OPEN > 3 STFL OPEN
> REDRAW > ST 4 INS. (INCL. 3456)
> REDRAW > 2 CD. K HI ROYAL
> REDRAW > 2 CD. STFL
> REDRAW > A34, A35, OR A45
> TJ w 0 or 1 ST PEN ONLY > REDRAW
> 7TJ w 0 PEN > TJ BUT w ST PEN
> REDRAW > 7TJ & TJ
> 3 STFL, 2 GAP 7-Q HI w 0 PEN
> ONLY > REDRAW
>
> ONE DEUCE
> PAT TRIPS > ALL 4 STFL
> PAT STRAIGHT > ALL 4 STFL
> REDRAW > 2-45s
> 3 W.R. K HI w 1 ST & 1 FLU PEN > 2 ONLY
> 2 > 3 W.R. A HI
> PAT FLUSH > 4 W.R. A HI
> 3 STFL OPEN 2-67 TO 2-9T > 3 W.R. K HI
>
> Nudge
>
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Jim wrote:
I don't completely agree with spin poker having identical strategy
as regular video poker. The holds in the middle or #3 position have
more value towards your final results than holds in the other four
positions. The middle row, #3 position (the center square) has 5 of
the nine paylines going through it, while no other square has more
than 4 paylines. Not sure how this would play out in deuces, but it
somewhat changes strategies in games like DDB and TDB for sure.
Faulty logic.
Yes, it's true that for the completed matrix of cards, the center card has more paylines drawn through it than any other card in the matrix. But that has no bearing on how much a held card contributes to the 9 paylines.
Because a held card is duplicated so that is appears in 3 positions in the completed matrix, such that it appears once in each of the 9 paylines, the held card has the same overall contribution to the 9 paylines no matter it's position in the original dealt line. Thus, position of the held card(s) has no bearing on optimal strategy.
My only question is why they don't just put in regular 10 play (OK- 9 play) if it is in reality the same game.
Is it just the attraction that it "looks and feels" like a cartoon slot?
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
Jim wrote:
> I don't completely agree with spin poker having identical strategy
> as regular video poker. The holds in the middle or #3 position have
> more value towards your final results than holds in the other four
> positions. The middle row, #3 position (the center square) has 5 of
> the nine paylines going through it, while no other square has more
> than 4 paylines. Not sure how this would play out in deuces, but it
> somewhat changes strategies in games like DDB and TDB for sure.Faulty logic.
Yes, it's true that for the completed matrix of cards, the center card has more paylines drawn through it than any other card in the matrix. But that has no bearing on how much a held card contributes to the 9 paylines.
Because a held card is duplicated so that is appears in 3 positions in the completed matrix, such that it appears once in each of the 9 paylines, the held card has the same overall contribution to the 9 paylines no matter it's position in the original dealt line. Thus, position of the held card(s) has no bearing on optimal strategy.
Mostly, I would guess. It also increases volatility greatly. While not good for the player from a bankroll standpoint, this is a big part of why gambling is exciting. Why does the unknowledgable gambler choose Double Double Bonus over Jacks or Better? The thrill of bigger jackpots. Who doesn't dream of holding four to the royal on SpinPoker and getting the desired card in the center for five royals?
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
My only question is why they don't just put in regular 10 play (OK- 9 play) if it is in reality the same game.
Is it just the attraction that it "looks and feels" like a cartoon slot?>>>
I'm sure the variance is alot higher on spin poker than 10 play. Just don't know the breakdown.
···
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: vegasvpplayer@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:57:43 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
My only question is why they don't just put in regular 10 play (OK- 9 play) if it is in reality the same game.
Is it just the attraction that it "looks and feels" like a cartoon slot?>>>
Mostly, I would guess. It also increases volatility greatly. While not good for the player from a bankroll standpoint, this is a big part of why gambling is exciting. Why does the unknowledgable gambler choose Double Double Bonus over Jacks or Better? The thrill of bigger jackpots. Who doesn't dream of holding four to the royal on SpinPoker and getting the desired card in the center for five royals?
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Spin poker variance on 9 lines JoB is right around 53.00. The variance in 10-play JoB video poker is about 37.21.
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On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:11 PM, James Thompson wrote:
I'm sure the variance is alot higher on spin poker than 10 play. Just don't know the breakdown.
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: vegasvpplayer@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:57:43 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
My only question is why they don't just put in regular 10 play (OK- 9 play) if it is in reality the same game.
Is it just the attraction that it "looks and feels" like a cartoon slot?>>>Mostly, I would guess. It also increases volatility greatly. While not good for the player from a bankroll standpoint, this is a big part of why gambling is exciting. Why does the unknowledgable gambler choose Double Double Bonus over Jacks or Better? The thrill of bigger jackpots. Who doesn't dream of holding four to the royal on SpinPoker and getting the desired card in the center for five royals?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@...> wrote:
Spin poker variance on 9 lines JoB is right around 53.00. The variance
in 10-play JoB video poker is about 37.21.On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:11 PM, James Thompson wrote:
>
> I'm sure the variance is alot higher on spin poker than 10 play.
> Just don't know the breakdown.
>
>
>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: vegasvpplayer@...
> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:57:43 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>>
>> My only question is why they don't just put in regular 10 play (OK-
>> 9 play) if it is in reality the same game.
>> Is it just the attraction that it "looks and feels" like a cartoon
>> slot?>>>
>
> Mostly, I would guess. It also increases volatility greatly. While
> not good for the player from a bankroll standpoint, this is a big
> part of why gambling is exciting. Why does the unknowledgable
> gambler choose Double Double Bonus over Jacks or Better? The thrill
> of bigger jackpots. Who doesn't dream of holding four to the royal
> on SpinPoker and getting the desired card in the center for five
> royals?
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Regular JoB has the lowest variance of any video poker game, at about
19.51. Anything that adds special bonuses is only going to raise the
variance; you get all those fun bonuses at the expense of lower payout
for more common hands. I don't have data for NSUD, but full-pay Deuces
Wild is pretty close variance wise. Normal variance for FPDW is 25.84,
10-hand variance is 54.10. I don't have solid data for any spin poker
variance besides JoB, but if the bump in variance is similar on FPDW
and JoB, then the variance for FPDW Spin Poker is going to be
somewhere around 80. Yikes. That's what you get for chasing that 4 to
a royal draw with the middle open...
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On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:54 PM, mike wrote:
Those are scary numbers. What about NSUD?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@...> wrote:
>
> Spin poker variance on 9 lines JoB is right around 53.00. The
variance
> in 10-play JoB video poker is about 37.21.
>
> On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:11 PM, James Thompson wrote:
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> >
> > I'm sure the variance is alot higher on spin poker than 10 play.
> > Just don't know the breakdown.
> >
> >
> >
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > From: vegasvpplayer@...
> > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:57:43 +0000
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NSUD: Spin Poker and multi-strike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> >>
> >> My only question is why they don't just put in regular 10 play
(OK-
> >> 9 play) if it is in reality the same game.
> >> Is it just the attraction that it "looks and feels" like a
cartoon
> >> slot?>>>
> >
> > Mostly, I would guess. It also increases volatility greatly. While
> > not good for the player from a bankroll standpoint, this is a big
> > part of why gambling is exciting. Why does the unknowledgable
> > gambler choose Double Double Bonus over Jacks or Better? The
thrill
> > of bigger jackpots. Who doesn't dream of holding four to the royal
> > on SpinPoker and getting the desired card in the center for five
> > royals?
> >
> >
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I believe Pick 'em is lower:
Pick'em Poker, 15.0055
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@...> wrote:
Regular JoB has the lowest variance of any video poker game, at about 19.51.
You would be correct. I always forget about Pick 'em; I have never
seen one out in the wild.
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On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:38 PM, busbyb wrote:
I believe Pick 'em is lower:
Pick'em Poker, 15.0055
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@...> wrote:
>
> Regular JoB has the lowest variance of any video poker game, at
about 19.51.
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