I've been meaning to respond to this thread for about a month. Here
were the previous comments:
tralfamidorgooglycrackers wrote:
Only 16/10/4/4/3/2/1 Deuces should be listed as "NSUD".
15/9/4/4/3/2/1
Deuces are NOT "NSUD". Therefore, "16/10 NSUD" is redundant.
and
GRAYTLEEGRAY wrote:
I agree, one hand raised high. I too, saw this reference in
the Database and was repulsed. "Not So Ugly" was coined by
Skip Hughes. The true historic story is referenced in the glossary.
"Not So Ugly" is only 16/10/4/4 version of Deuces in my book of
personal knowledge.
and
vpfae wrote:
The "16/10 NSUD" references in the DataBase have been
changed back to "NSUD".
I totally agree that when someone says "NSU" to refer to a video
poker game, it means only one thing: 1/2/3/4/4/10/16/25/200/(800)
Deuces Wild.
What I'm proposing is to also use "NSU" to refer to a family of
similar paytables of Deuces Wild that all begin with 1/2/3/4/4. I
first discussed this in a previous post while discussing the Deuces
Wild groupings in the vpFREE paytables":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/74088
In much the same way, we use DB to indicate the family of games known
as "Double Bonus". For example, we use 9/7 DB to differentiate it
from "regular" or "positive" DB (10/7) [not the ambiguous "full-pay"
for reasons discussed in a previous thread], or 9/6 DDB to
differentiate it from 10/6 DDB. So why not use 15/9 NSU to
differentiate it from 16/10 NSU, when the paytables are similar in
every way except the 2 numbers shown?
When someone says "JoB", we assume 9/6 JoB, although most of the time
the "9/6" is included. To indicate a slight paytable variant, most
people say "9/5 JoB" or "8/5/35 JoB". I don't hear anybody getting up-
in-arms about misusing the term "JoB", so what's the problem with
using NSU in the same way? The same argument can be used for DB, DDB,
Bdlx, etc.
Using "NSU" all by itself would continue to mean 16/10 NSU like it
always has, but if prefixed by another paytable varation like "15/9
NSU", it would mean that the "16/10" part changes to "15/9", but the
rest of the paytable stays the same. It's a very convenient
shorthand, and eliminates the need to come up with unique names for
the many variants, such as APDW (15/11 NSU), "pNSU/Airport/Illinois
Deuces" (15/9 NSU), etc.
Also, as a result of changing "16/10 NSU" back to just "NSU" in the
database pages, the end result is inconsistent. For example, looking
at the South Point page, all games *except* NSU are preceded by a
paytable variation indicator: 9/6 Bdlx, 9/6 JoB, 9/5 SDB, 9/7 TDB,
9/5/80 WHA, 8/5 Ace$, 8/5 BP, 9/7 DB, 9/6 DDB. If we are going to
remove the "16/10" part (what I call the "paytable variation") from
in front of "NSU", then for consistency shouldn't we also remove the
prefixes from all these other games, since the "real" or "original"
or "full-pay" [:(] version of each game is only one paytable, and
these numbers are implied?
As far as "Ugly Ducks" is concerned, that was also discussed in my
previous message referenced above. I defer to someone more
knowledgeable who was around when the first downgrades to FPDW
appeared, but I *guessed* that 15/9/5/3 FPDW was probably downgraded
to 15/9/4/3 DW, not 15/9 NSU. So in my post above I proposed
adding "Ugly Ducks" to the vpFREE paytables using the 15/9/4/3
paytable. However, I've noticed that many people refer to 15/9/4/4
as "Ugly Ducks", and not "Airport/Illinois/pNSU", so I could be
totally wrong.
Comments welcome, for or against.
JD