Absolutely! Car exhaust fumes are as toxic as cigarette smoke>
No. Cigarette smoke contains tar, which incapacitates the lungs' self-cleaning mechanism. That's why smokers' lungs are black.
You are much better off sucking on an exhaust pipe.
Non-smoking Sections in Casinos
> Absolutely! Car exhaust fumes are as toxic as cigarette smoke>
No. Cigarette smoke contains tar, which incapacitates the lungs' self-cleaning
mechanism. That's why smokers' lungs are black.
You are much better off sucking on an exhaust pipe.
A short list of the likely pathogens in car exhaust:
Carbon Monoxide
Nitrogen dioxide
Sulphur dioxide
Suspended particles including PM-10, particles less than 10 microns in size.
Benzene
Formaldehyde
Polycyclic hydrocarbons
Thanks for the tip! However sucking on an exhaust pipe doesn't sound like it would be
much the lesser of two evils.
Congrats by the way on your SuperTimes win!
Tigger
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@...> wrote:
After this comment, I am going to leave this subject alone because it is not my wish to make enemies here. I think the battle lines are clearly drawn and the debates go nowhere productive. This is certainly a debate that could go on and on and on. Personally, I do not have the time to devote to it.
However, the list of deadly toxins (by far) out number those in cigarette smoke. If you don't believe exhaust fumes are more toxic than cigarette smoke (first or second hand) , start your car and close your garage doors. You will die. I feel very safe in saying that I could sit in my garage while socializing with several cigarette smoker's for years without the same result.
BTW, please don't try this experiment !!
My best,
Nita
> Absolutely! Car exhaust fumes are as toxic as cigarette smoke>
No. Cigarette smoke contains tar, which incapacitates the lungs' self-cleaning
mechanism. That's why smokers' lungs are black.
You are much better off sucking on an exhaust pipe.
A short list of the likely pathogens in car exhaust:
Carbon Monoxide
Nitrogen dioxide
Sulphur dioxide
Suspended particles including PM-10, particles less than 10 microns in size.
Benzene
Formaldehyde
Polycyclic hydrocarbons
Thanks for the tip! However sucking on an exhaust pipe doesn't sound like it would be
much the lesser of two evils.
Congrats by the way on your SuperTimes win!
Tigger
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anita walker wrote:
After this comment, I am going to leave this subject alone because it
is not my wish to make enemies here. I think the battle lines are
clearly drawn and the debates go nowhere productive.
I would hope that no one comes away from this discussion thinking of
it in terms of "enemies" and "battle" 
But there's no doubt there's little that hasn't been thrashed out by
each of us previously in some manner. The average person has a
sufficiently firm stand that exchanges like this aren't likely to
appreciably further influence that stand.
If there's to be any value it comes from the hope that we'll each
arrive at greater empathy for the other's perspective and show due
consideration and respect as warranted in the world at large.
I think the most interesting aspect of the issue is the question of
the government's right to legislate in this area under the
Constitutional framework. It's more firmly grounded in fact than
opinion and also is not generally well understood. (And I'm not
claiming to be a qualified Constituional scholar 
- Harry
I agree about exhaust fumes...Have any of you driven from vegas to
LA or from San Diego to vegas. You can see the line of smog and
pollution clearly across the sky. I use to live in that area and I
can attest it defintely exists. That gives you a very visual affect
of what you are breathing in every day.
>
> > Absolutely! Car exhaust fumes are as toxic as cigarette smoke>
>
> No. Cigarette smoke contains tar, which incapacitates the lungs'
self-cleaning
mechanism. That's why smokers' lungs are black.
>
> You are much better off sucking on an exhaust pipe.A short list of the likely pathogens in car exhaust:
Carbon Monoxide
Nitrogen dioxide
Sulphur dioxide
Suspended particles including PM-10, particles less than 10
microns in size.
Benzene
Formaldehyde
Polycyclic hydrocarbonsThanks for the tip! However sucking on an exhaust pipe doesn't
sound like it would be
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike.tigger" <mike69tigg@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@> wrote:
much the lesser of two evils.Congrats by the way on your SuperTimes win!
Tigger
Harry Porter wrote:
anita walker wrote:
After this comment, I am going to leave this subject alone because it
is not my wish to make enemies here. I think the battle lines are
clearly drawn and the debates go nowhere productive.I would hope that no one comes away from this discussion thinking of
it in terms of "enemies" and "battle"
Agreed. It's discussion. Heated at times, but discussion nonetheless.
But there's no doubt there's little that hasn't been thrashed out by
each of us previously in some manner. The average person has a
sufficiently firm stand that exchanges like this aren't likely to
appreciably further influence that stand.
Agreed. As this thread continues to pass through this group on a regular
basis, the same points of view will be shared again. Changes in the way
media covers the issue may influence one side or the other down the road,
but we won't know how that plays out until/unless it actually happens.
If there's to be any value it comes from the hope that we'll each
arrive at greater empathy for the other's perspective and show due
consideration and respect as warranted in the world at large.
I sure hope so. I've been on both sides of the issue and am empathetic
toward smokers *and* non-smokers. I lean toward the side of the smokers at
this point in time, mainly because I feel they're being railroaded into
prohibition by reasons I personally consider erroneous. If non-smokers
would change their angle of attack, and say things like I've heard at
times, "You have no right to allow your smoke to assail me and stink up my
clothes, hair, irritate my eyes and lungs", that would be one thing, but
shrouding the issue via controversial studies isn't the way to go about
any sort of change without great expense in litigation costs. I think if
casinos, restaurants, lounges, etc. made an honest attempt to make a
non-smoking area, spending money on ventilation and such, smokers and
non-smokers could co-exist easily.
I think the most interesting aspect of the issue is the question of
the government's right to legislate in this area under the
Constitutional framework. It's more firmly grounded in fact than
opinion and also is not generally well understood. (And I'm not
claiming to be a qualified Constituional scholar
Agreed. The government intrusion and cost to the taxpayers, not to mention
the erosion of civil liberties, are the most interesting aspects, rather
than the sniping back and forth by pro/anti-smoking agendas and lobbyists.
IMO, the entire issue shouldn't be in the hands of the Federal Government
at all. Our federal taxes could be better spent on other things. I'd
rather see legistlation at a state level, or even a municipal level that
spells out exactly what a business owner should do in terms of ventilation
and accomodation, rather than seeing all our tax dollars go to waste
putting up a fight that could erode our constitutional freedoms even more.
If a private business owner wants to allow smoking, they must pony up the
bucks to make it comfortable to smokers *and* non-smokers, alike. If they
choose to dis-allow smoking, it should be their right as well.
--Brett
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arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid
broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming,
'Wow-What a Ride!' "